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08-26-2012, 07:06 PM
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Filip Forsberg
Charles Hudon
How are two players selected two months ago considered a bust?
Especially one in the chosen in the fifth round.

Anyways to answer the question... Schremp, Fischer, and Esposito.
I thought for sure Pacioretty was going to be a bust. Boy am I glad I was wrong

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08-26-2012, 07:17 PM
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Couture played 25 NHL games in his first pro season and 79 in his second.

Pacioretty played 34 in his first pro season, 52 in his second.

Ryan played 23 in his first pro season, 64 in his second.
Couture was in his 4th season post draft before he became an NHL regular. Max was in his 3rd or 4th - depending how you view it. Ryan was in his 4th.

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08-26-2012, 07:58 PM
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Kadri.
This kids face is going to be like Kesler in his avatar when he sees Kadri producing in the NHL next year (or whenever hockey is back on).

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08-27-2012, 01:32 AM
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For the Wild; I had a feeling Thelen was going to end up a bust.

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08-28-2012, 01:06 PM
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Mitch Wahl
Charles Hudon
Jordan Schroeder
Jared Knight
Gregg McKegg
Matt Puempel
Teemu Hartikainen



From a Spitfires fan?

Oh well...
Wow! You actually went back to the 6th round to find a bust Except for he's coming along just fine. He's a 22 year old big physical winger that the Oilers are lacking, and played very well in a limited role last season.

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08-28-2012, 03:35 PM
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This kids face is going to be like Kesler in his avatar when he sees Kadri producing in the NHL next year (or whenever hockey is back on).
Same story, different year.

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08-28-2012, 03:41 PM
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2000 NHL Draft: every player selected from 7th to 12th
2001 NHL Draft: 3rd A.Svitov
2002 NHL Draft: 9th P.Taticek
2003 NHL Draft: 12th H.Jessiman
2004 NHL Draft: 11th and 12th
2005 NHL Draft: 13th M.Zagrapan
2006 NHL Draft: 15th R.Helenuis
2007 NHL Draft: 4th T.Hickey
2008 NHL Draft: 6th N.Filatov or 11th K.Beach
2009 NHL Draft: 8th S.Glennie

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08-28-2012, 07:49 PM
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For Boston going back Id rank the top guys as...

Dave Pasin... not a really high pick but then he scores 60 in junior... has 20 some in his first NHL season... thought he was going to be something and POOF

Dimitri Kvaltalnov... dude looked so slick and impressive at times as he racked up around 70 points in his rookie season... then POOF

Blaine Lacher... one year wonder in net... got called either the luckiest player ever for that one year.. or the unluckiest ever for the remainder of his career... but he sure didnt pan out as anything other then a very bad minor league talent despite one hell of a good rookie year.

Evegni Rabichikov... wasnt even able to have the one good year... drafted out of left field in the first round and i dont think he even managed a decent career in the russian leagues.

Lars Jonsson... i gues he got to the show for Philly for a few games... but sadly our highest ever drafted bust

Andrew Raycroft... a ROTY winner who went POOF mostly do to getting involved in politics I think... that CBA thing seemed to ruin him? Goalies are head cases at the best of times.

Kyle Wanvig... us Bruin fans had such a mancrush on this guy... then we couldnt sign him and the HF boards exploded. But, we sure didnt end up missing out on anything. Milan Lucic came along and we forgot all about what could have been.

Martin Samuelsson... was talk this was a potential first overall pick then he falls to us... and he seems to have the makings of a pretty decent 3rd line 2-way guy... but did a smoking habit kill his conditioning??? maybe...

Jeff Jillson.. not drafted by us, but was a major score when we got him for McLaren... then not so much when he sucked but at least we got to move him for Boyes.. who got us Wideman.. who got us Horton... so things turned out ok

Those are the first guys that jump to my head for the B's

I never did have high hopes for Zach Hamil... or some other names that might be conspicous by their absense here. These other guys were mostly all headed to the HOF in my mind though lol.

Not always happens though

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08-28-2012, 08:03 PM
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08-28-2012, 08:17 PM
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For Boston going back Id rank the top guys as...

Dave Pasin... not a really high pick but then he scores 60 in junior... has 20 some in his first NHL season... thought he was going to be something and POOF

Dimitri Kvaltalnov... dude looked so slick and impressive at times as he racked up around 70 points in his rookie season... then POOF

Blaine Lacher... one year wonder in net... got called either the luckiest player ever for that one year.. or the unluckiest ever for the remainder of his career... but he sure didnt pan out as anything other then a very bad minor league talent despite one hell of a good rookie year.

Evegni Rabichikov... wasnt even able to have the one good year... drafted out of left field in the first round and i dont think he even managed a decent career in the russian leagues.

Lars Jonsson... i gues he got to the show for Philly for a few games... but sadly our highest ever drafted bust

Andrew Raycroft... a ROTY winner who went POOF mostly do to getting involved in politics I think... that CBA thing seemed to ruin him? Goalies are head cases at the best of times.

Kyle Wanvig... us Bruin fans had such a mancrush on this guy... then we couldnt sign him and the HF boards exploded. But, we sure didnt end up missing out on anything. Milan Lucic came along and we forgot all about what could have been.

Martin Samuelsson... was talk this was a potential first overall pick then he falls to us... and he seems to have the makings of a pretty decent 3rd line 2-way guy... but did a smoking habit kill his conditioning??? maybe...

Jeff Jillson.. not drafted by us, but was a major score when we got him for McLaren... then not so much when he sucked but at least we got to move him for Boyes.. who got us Wideman.. who got us Horton... so things turned out ok

Those are the first guys that jump to my head for the B's

I never did have high hopes for Zach Hamil... or some other names that might be conspicous by their absense here. These other guys were mostly all headed to the HOF in my mind though lol.

Not always happens though
What about Cameron Mann? The guy had good size and was physical. He exploded offensively in Peterbrorough after being drafted in the fourth round by Boston, his last two OHL season playoff numbers are gaudy, 35 games, 37 goals and 34 assists. Was good in Providence but never could make it in the NHL.

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08-28-2012, 10:06 PM
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08-29-2012, 04:45 AM
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Colton Gillies - He had no offensive talent in juniors. Is anyone surprised he has struggled to score in the pros? The bigger surprise is that a forward in the CHL with a .46 point per game during his draft year would be picked in the first round in the first place.
Gillies is one of the first that came to mind. There was absolutely no reason to believe he'd be more than a third liner, although some just saw Gillies as extremely raw. Yet another first round pick who proves that low-upside prospects bust just the same as high-upside prospects.

Although he is not a bust yet, I'm not surprised John McFarland's stock as a prospect has been falling steadily for several years now.

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08-29-2012, 05:15 AM
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Angelo Esposito - with the way he regressed his draft year and his stock slid I don't think anyone is surprised he is a bust.
Two guys who similarly were rated top 5-10 in talent but dropped big time on draft day:
Robbie Schremp
Patrick O'Sullivan (actually had to look up who was traded for Demitra on hockeydb to remember his name)

Jordan Schroeder could end up that way but he looks like he'll get NHL game time to prove himself this year, and he's earned it by working on his defensive game unlike the two guys above.

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Awful 'roster' simplifies it down a bit too much. Our goaltending and defense is awful, but our forwards are decent-to-good (Nashville would become a Cup contender if they could replicate our level of goalscoring).
Pardon me, all we hear about is how the Leafs defenseman are solid and that you need a top line centre more than a goalie...wasn't Kadri drafted as a centre?

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08-30-2012, 11:23 AM
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I think your expectations are too high for a sixth round pick.

He isn't really a bust when he looks like he has an NHL career ahead of him and he was picked so late.

This.

I think some people don't know what a bust is.

Sure. Maybe some Oiler fans overhyped him a bit.
He looked good in the games that I saw.

Even if he becomes a career bottom 6'er, thats still a drafting win.

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08-30-2012, 11:57 AM
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2000 NHL Draft: every player selected from 7th to 12th
2001 NHL Draft: 3rd A.Svitov
2002 NHL Draft: 9th P.Taticek
2003 NHL Draft: 12th H.Jessiman
2004 NHL Draft: 11th and 12th
2005 NHL Draft: 13th M.Zagrapan
2006 NHL Draft: 15th R.Helenuis
2007 NHL Draft: 4th T.Hickey
2008 NHL Draft: 6th N.Filatov or 11th K.Beach
2009 NHL Draft: 8th S.Glennie
Riku is coming back this year. He is playing in Syracuse this year, then most likely be Lindback's back up in 2013/2014. As to the way his new contract is structured (2 year deal, 1 year is a 2 way, 2nd year is a one-way.) So maybe he will shine in the AHL next season and come up be huge in the NHL. I'd say the jury is still out at least for a season on him.

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08-30-2012, 02:24 PM
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I remember watching the draft and the announcer said "this is completely off the board! He's not even in our top 100!"

Kind of like Jankowski except it made even less sense.

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Angelo Esposito - with the way he regressed his draft year and his stock slid I don't think anyone is surprised he is a bust.
Any chance he had at an NHL career was ruined by the multiple ACL tears he suffered in the couple of years after his draft. He most likely wasn't going to be a real NHL contributor anyway but he could've had a Christensen-like career as a slick depth winger. But now that his skating is gone, it's pretty much game over for Espo.

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Wow! You actually went back to the 6th round to find a bust Except for he's coming along just fine. He's a 22 year old big physical winger that the Oilers are lacking, and played very well in a limited role last season.
Wouldnt the fact that he has already played in the NHL as a 6th rounder make him automatically not a bust. Whats the percentage for 6th rounder to make it to the NHL like 2%

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There were a few guys in the 2007 draft I really didn't understand why was regarded so highly on the basis of what I'd seen of them - Kyle Turris, Lars Eller and Angelo Esposito.

Dylan McIlrath never made any sense to me as a top ten pick, and though the jury's not back in the room yet on that point, there sure hasn't been many reasons to revise that opinion.

If you have low expectations for big project defensemen, like Mathieu Biron, you are nearly always right. So I do have low expectations for them, on a generic basis.

Ditto the so-called "safe" forwards, who "at the very worst will be an elite third line center", but which more usually are just busts or marginal players who never ought to have anywhere near the top half of the first round. Such as Dan Tkaczuk or Chad Kilger or Jason Ward.

A few more recent pick I really didn't have much faith in, relative to position (although not necessarily suspected busts): Kyle Beach, Greg Nemisz, Brayden Schenn, Nazem Kadri, Philippe Paradis, Erik Gudbranson.

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This.

I think some people don't know what a bust is.

Sure. Maybe some Oiler fans overhyped him a bit.
He looked good in the games that I saw.

Even if he becomes a career bottom 6'er, thats still a drafting win.
A sixth-round selection with an NHL career games total in double digits is a hit.

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It's kinda sad to think, but there's probably a decent chunk of people here who were too young (or perhaps not even born yet) for the '95 Draft. That was the first draft I can remember watching (vague memories of Jovanovski/Tverdovsky/Bonk from '94) and the announcers seemed pretty confused with the Riihijarvi pick.
I got curious and googled him, and I found this old article written shortly after that draft. Pretty interesting to say the least, and it really goes to show how much size was valued back then.

http://www.sfgate.com/sports/article...ft-3140893.php

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One pre-draft publication tabbed Riihijarvi to be taken in the second round. He was the ninth-ranked European skater according to the league's central scouting service. And only two of the eight ahead of him on the list had been selected.
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Apparently other teams were very interested in Riihijarvi. New York Islanders general manager Don Maloney told Lombardi he had a deal in the works to acquire the 15th pick, which he would have used to take Riihijarvi. Detroit's Scotty Bowman made it a point to congratulate the Sharks on their first-round selection, as did Ottawa player personnel director John Ferguson.

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Riku is coming back this year. He is playing in Syracuse this year, then most likely be Lindback's back up in 2013/2014. As to the way his new contract is structured (2 year deal, 1 year is a 2 way, 2nd year is a one-way.) So maybe he will shine in the AHL next season and come up be huge in the NHL. I'd say the jury is still out at least for a season on him.
I don't know how anyone could say Helenius is an obvious bust. I watched him play the U-18 and he clearly looked like he had all the tools to be a good goalie.

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