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Why don't we see long term deals with low $ ?

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08-31-2012, 04:21 PM
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Why don't we see long term deals with low $ ?

There's been multiple long term deals with 7M+ of a cap hit this off season (Hall, Parise , Weber , Suter etc.. ) but my question is , why don't we see long term deals , but with lower $ per year ?

Say your team see's themselves as a cup contender in at least 3 years, however you have a bottem 6 F or bottem 3 D who you'd like to have with you going into your up run. Say this player's potential has basically reached the max, instead of signing him to say a 2year 2M dollar deal , why not make it 5 year 5M ? You keep your player longer , same cap hit , and he has less pressure as he has a longer contract , and he gets to be part of a rebuild/cup contender.

Just wanna know why we don't see these deals.

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Hall does not have $7M+

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Hall does not have $7M+
My mistake , 6M +

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and he has less pressure as he has a longer contract
Looks like you answered your own question.

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The reason is because the long-term deals include an inherent risk, such that players get injured, stall in development, sputter out, or for whatever reason don't maximize on their potential.

The reason that only the elite superstars are getting these contracts is because they offer (at least to the GM signing them) a "reduced" risk because of their skill.

The Players also use it as a bargaining tool and use it to secure higher paying salaries.

Bottom-end players don't have the luxury of that kind of leverage, because there are just so many of them out there.

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Shorter contract + less money = harder working player with desire to earn more money with next contract. Also bottom players are easily replaceable and more of a risk with long term contracts.

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also a 2m player in 06 now earns 4-4.5

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Because no one wants to sign crappy players to long term? lower money=replaceable players

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Because these longterm contracts are kind of a deal between elite players and the team where the player gets the money and the team gets the term and caphit.

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Because no one wants to sign crappy players to long term? lower money=replaceable players
Or players that want to stay. Burrows, Hansen, Higgins and Schneider's last contract were all well, well, well below market value. I mean Alfy for 4 ish million a season too, even at his current level, was below market value as well.

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Players you commit to long term are players you want to commit to long term. Who would want to tie themselves up with a bottom line/bottom pairing player when he might be replaced by a better rookie in a couple years?

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Gorges isn't a star, but he isn't crap, but he got a 6 year deal.

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Well not only that but why would a FA sign long term for low salary if he could just get better and earn a better contract. The guy would have to be a player who knew he's hit his ceiling and wanted some guaranteed money over a long time and some security as well. Teams don't like that as some have pointed out already.

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I'm actually surprised that Skinner/Eberle/Hall did not take a discounton their deals (I know Carolina/Edm fans will think they did) considering the timing of the deal and the terms especially with Skinner.

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I'm actually surprised that Skinner/Eberle/Hall did not take a discounton their deals (I know Carolina/Edm fans will think they did) considering the timing of the deal and the terms especially with Skinner.
I don't know, depends what you call a discount. The reality is they are getting less than 50% of what the max a player can get(12.8?). I think they could've also said look at what Semin got or what Nash, Heatley, Koivu are getting.

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I'm actually surprised that Skinner/Eberle/Hall did not take a discounton their deals (I know Carolina/Edm fans will think they did) considering the timing of the deal and the terms especially with Skinner.
Current $6M contract relative to cap over the years.

2012-13
Cap: $70M
Salary: $6,000,000

2005-6:
Cap: $39M
Relative Salary: $3,342,857

2006-7:
Cap: $44M
Relative Salary: $3,771,428

2007-8:
Cap: $50M
Relative Salary: $4,285,714

2008-9/2009-10:
Cap: $57M
Relative Salary: $4,885,714

2010-2011:
Cap: $59M
Relative Salary: $5,057,142

2011-2012:
Cap: $64M
Relative Salary: $5,485,714

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Players you commit to long term are players you want to commit to long term. Who would want to tie themselves up with a bottom line/bottom pairing player when he might be replaced by a better rookie in a couple years?
This is honestly for me the #1 reason we don't see it.

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Long term contacts are risky. GM's don't want the risk unless it's for an elite player.

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Because apparently it wasn't wise to sign Jay McClement for another eight years <_<

Seriously though, bottom 6/pairing guys are easily replaceable. No sense in locking up someone who'll be easily replaceable.

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Probably the same reason my boss doesnt offer me a 6 year contract, I'd probably get lazy and just accept the fact its easy money.

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Simmonds and Gorges getting 6 year deals is about as close as you're gonna get. They're not top line players but they're a tier above your solid 3rd liner 4/5 d man who only usually get 3 years tops( Neil, Harrison)

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I'm actually surprised that Skinner/Eberle/Hall did not take a discounton their deals (I know Carolina/Edm fans will think they did) considering the timing of the deal and the terms especially with Skinner.
It's not like they're any sort of overpayment, but yeh looking at Patches, Vlasic, Versteeg, Oshie they're deff not home discounts

I would group the 3 you mentioned in the mild risk/high reward category with Turris, Voracek,Simmonds, they are just another tier up obviously. but ehh who even knows what a good contract is now anyway


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Habs signed Pacioretty for 6 years 4.5 and he still has a year left on his old contract at 1.75

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Franzens @ 3.9 for the next 49 years ...

I see what your getting at - but bottom 6'ers and bottom pairing defense are pretty easily replaceable in case of injury, decreased production, or not developping as projected so I dont think were see any 8 year 9 million $ deals an anytime soon. Way more guys who will become grinders and defensive dmen get spit out of Jr and the minors every year than future superstars - and are readily available through trades and free agency.

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If you're a young, budding star player you wouldn't want to sign long term for less money anyways. You'd rather go short term and get rich when you become a free agent (see Parise, Suter, etc)

And long term deals (ie DiPietro, Heatley, Horcoff, etc) have proven that they can cripple a team in the long haul. GMs know that too.

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08-31-2012, 08:56 PM
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Talbot got a fairly long contract IIRC. Too lazy to look it up right now , but isn't it like 5 years long? Not a "bad" player by any means, but he is a bottom 6F and those types don't usually get anything longer than 3 year contracts or so.

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