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09-02-2012, 01:36 PM
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TOR: Brassard

CBJ: Bozak, 3rd, Blacker, Connolly (if CBJ wants him)

I dont really think Brassard is that number one center the leafs need, but I do feel he has plenty of skill and a change of scenery would help him a lot.

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TOR: Brassard

CBJ: Bozak, 3rd, Blacker, Connolly (if CBJ wants him)

I dont really think Brassard is that number one center the leafs need, but I do feel he has plenty of skill and a change of scenery would help him a lot.
Often dependent on where that scenery might be...

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09-02-2012, 02:02 PM
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Bozak is better than Brassard IMO.

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09-02-2012, 02:06 PM
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massive overpayment if you know what type of prospect Jesse Blacker is. Take him out and its fair.

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09-02-2012, 02:12 PM
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TOR: Brassard

CBJ: Bozak, 3rd, Blacker, Connolly (if CBJ wants him)

I dont really think Brassard is that number one center the leafs need, but I do feel he has plenty of skill and a change of scenery would help him a lot.
Brassard had a change of scenery last year, when Scott Arniel was fired. He really emerged once that happened.

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massive overpayment if you know what type of prospect Jesse Blacker is. Take him out and its fair.
No, take out Blacker and it becomes a typical crap-for-quality trade.

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09-02-2012, 02:17 PM
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Brassard had a change of scenery last year, when Scott Arniel was fired. He really emerged once that happened.



No, take out Blacker and it becomes a typical crap-for-quality trade.
No, with Blacker this is highway robbery by Columbus. Bozak is better than Brassard ATM. Blacker is a really good prospect.

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09-02-2012, 02:21 PM
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Leafs say no, especially with Jessie Blacker being involved.

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Seems like a lateral move, plus I don't think Columbus needs any more defensive prospects.

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Seems like a lateral move, plus I don't think Columbus needs any more defensive prospects.
couldn't of said it any better

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No, with Blacker this is highway robbery by Columbus. Bozak is better than Brassard ATM. Blacker is a really good prospect.
That's highly debatable. Brassard, when he was on the ice, was routinely going against the top or second pairing of Central Division teams, while on a line with RJ Umberger and Cam Atkinson. Bozak was going against the top pairing of Northeast Division teams, while on a line with Kessel and Lupul.

Central Division pairings:
Chicago - Keith/Seabrook and Hjalmarsson/Leddy
Detroit - Lidstrom/White and Stuart/Kronwall
Nashville - Weber/Suter and Klein/Josi
St. Louis - Jackman/Shattenkirk and Pietrangelo/Colaiacovo

Northeast Division pairings:
Boston - Chara/Boychuk and Seidenberg/Corvo
Buffalo - Some combination of Regehr/Sekera/Leopold/Myers
Montreal - Gorges/Subban and Diaz/Emelin
Ottawa - Kuba/Karlsson and Gonchar/Cowen

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TOR: Brassard

CBJ: Bozak, 3rd, Blacker, Connolly (if CBJ wants him)

I dont really think Brassard is that number one center the leafs need, but I do feel he has plenty of skill and a change of scenery would help him a lot.
Why is Columbus making this trade?

soon to be ufa Tim Connolly, has negative value: 35 pts in 2011-2012. Due $4m-$4.5m.

Bozak, Blacker and a meh pick?

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haha TOR fans moving on from a teams name that shall not be spoken of to other teams finally. Be ready for the limitless supplies of Bozaks and Connoly's!

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Why is Columbus making this trade?

soon to be ufa Tim Connolly, has negative value: 35 pts in 2011-2012. Due $4m-$4.5m.

Bozak, Blacker and a meh pick?
Because Brassard isnt really anything special.

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haha TOR fans moving on from a teams name that shall not be spoken of to other teams finally. Be ready for the limitless supplies of Bozaks and Connoly's!
Except we already went through all of this when Nash was still around. Bozak, Connolly, Armstrong, Lombardi, Komisarek, and if someone was feeling really generous, Frattin.

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Because Brassard isnt really anything special.
Brassard may yet become a high-scoring forward. His best year was 25 points in 31 games, when he was on a line with Voracek (who couldn't finish) and Chimera (who couldn't stay onside).

Todd Richards did a good job of using him, which was basically sticking him on the second line and first power play unit and letting him create. In the last 10 games of the season, when it was Brassard/Atkinson/Umberger, Atkinson had 5 goals and 5 assists (all in the last 6 games), Umberger had 9 goals and 3 assists, and Brassard had 2 goals and 6 assists. But it was Brassard who was causing all sorts of problems in the offensive zone and allowing the others to have more open ice.

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09-02-2012, 05:07 PM
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No from the Leafs.

Bozak is better than Brassard. He is better defensively, better on faceoffs and they have very similar offensive production. Bozak is also great friends and has good chemistry with Kessel.

The only thing Brassard has on Bozak is a high draft pedigree and he is 2 years younger.

The Leafs wouldn't add a former 2nd rounder with top-4 defensive potential, a 3rd and an overpaid veteran who they could either use or sell at the deadline to the highest bidder. It's not good asset management.

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No from the Leafs.

Bozak is better than Brassard. He is better defensively, better on faceoffs and they have very similar offensive production. Bozak is also great friends and has good chemistry with Kessel.

The only thing Brassard has on Bozak is a high draft pedigree and he is 2 years younger.
Cool,

Keep him

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Bozak is better than Brassard IMO.
I agree all the way.

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Bozak is better than Brassard ATM.


If anything, it's a wash. Bozak only put up comparable points because he spent all his time centering PPG forwards Phil Kessel and Joffrey Lupul, in a much worse division. And the advanced stats suggest that Brass is worlds better than Bozak at driving the play, but, well, folks only like advanced stats if they reinforce their existing conceits so take that as you will.

FWIW, Brass already got his "change of scenery" by being given creative freedom on the 2nd line. There's no need for us to trade him. Certainly not for a move that's lateral at best and more likely to be a downgrade.

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Columbus doesn't want to do this trade, Toronto doesn't want to do this trade.

Yet, here we still are debating it.

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09-02-2012, 06:26 PM
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Columbus doesn't want to do this trade, Toronto doesn't want to do this trade.

Yet, here we still are debating it.
It's essentially what most of the proposals on this board boil down to.

Most fans mainly follow their own teams and only see highlights/stat sheets of other teams' players (especially from the other conference). You know your own players a lot better than you know opposing players, and you tend to value what you know a lot higher than what you don't.

Though it can go the other way. You notice the flaws of your players a lot more, so you tend to want to move them for a different piece (even if it's a lateral move); the "shiny new toy" syndrome.

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Remember, quantity doesn't always equal quality.
Where's the quality here exactly, Brassard?

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Remember, quantity doesn't always equal quality.
Ok, but we're not really talking about quality here....

Brassard has played almost 300 games in the league, been given ample opportunity to play with one of the best wingers in the game, and has yet to surpass the 50 point barrier. Granted, Bozak hasn't either, but like Brassard he's come close, and has played a full season less.

Straight up might be a better proposal, at which point the Leafs probably politely decline.

As for the original proposal, from a leaf perspective, pass without question.

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TOR: Brassard

CBJ: Bozak, 3rd, Blacker, Connolly (if CBJ wants him)

I dont really think Brassard is that number one center the leafs need, but I do feel he has plenty of skill and a change of scenery would help him a lot.
Then the Leafs don't need him. Pass.


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haha TOR fans moving on from a teams name that shall not be spoken of to other teams finally. Be ready for the limitless supplies of Bozaks and Connoly's!
Couldn't have come soon enough. A certain teams fans here are a bit irritable and rude.

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