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08-31-2012, 10:05 AM
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Sorry if this isn't thread worthy or belongs somewhere else, still pretty new here.

Heard on EJ Hradek's mailbag earlier that Vanek is 8th in the league in goal scoring since the last lockout. Thats pretty damn impressive, he has the exact figures but I wanted to share that little bit of praise on one of our own.

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08-31-2012, 10:30 AM
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Guy knows how to score goals, though with all the hate he gets around here, you wouldn't know it. Vanek's one of only 4 active NHLers to have at least 25 goals in each of his first 7 seasons, and he's with some pretty elite company there.

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Guy knows how to score goals, though with all the hate he gets around here, you wouldn't know it. Vanek's one of only 4 active NHLers to have at least 25 goals in each of his first 7 seasons, and he's with some pretty elite company there.
And when you say "all the hate around here", you really mean like two or three posters ....

Others are "meh, take him or leave him"

And the majority are "very valuable asset, would only trade for a very valuable asset in return"


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And when you say "all the hate around here", you really mean like two or three posters ....

Others are "meh, take him or leave him"

And the majority are "very valuable asset, would only trade for a very valuable asset in return"

I guess. I think a lot of fans have a "grass is always greener" complex about the guys who've been here a while (ie: Vanek and Miller). It's like people forgot we couldn't win a cup with Hasek either..doesn't mean he wasn't good enough. We're just missing other key pieces to the puzzle.

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I think people criticize Vanek for not being the best skater and not really doing much outside of scoring said goals. The massive paycheck doesn't help either.

But man, that guy can score goals!

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His biggest issue and why people get frustrated with him is being inconsistent. He scores 10 goals in 15 games and then scores 2 in his next 10. He's just a non-factor for stretches of time.

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His biggest issue and why people get frustrated with him is being inconsistent. He scores 10 goals in 15 games and then scores 2 in his next 10. He's just a non-factor for stretches of time.
The thing is there are very few players who aren't like that, and the handful that aren't are really elite talents. Most teams win by being good teams vs having one elite player that carries them.

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Guy knows how to score goals, though with all the hate he gets around here, you wouldn't know it. Vanek's one of only 4 active NHLers to have at least 25 goals in each of his first 7 seasons, and he's with some pretty elite company there.
I had seen this stat around a few times. I think it drops to only 5 players including Vanek after the 5th season. A lot of Buffalo fans don't like him, but most owners/GMs know he is one of the most consistent players in the NHL.

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I love vanek, just hate how ruff uses him

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When your a player like Vanek you're going to get a lot of hate because there are the expectations of a team on you. I've always been a fan, think his got a really good attitude.

tsujimoto74 - thats a stunning stat, thanks for that.

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Where does vanek rank in the league in goal scoring over the last 3 years?

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I love Vanek, is why I got his jersey for me and my wife!

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Miroslav Satan was 7th in scoring goals from 1998-2005.

Vanek is a good player but he isnt dependable, he shows up on some nights big time and other other nights you hardly see him.

I always thought Vanek showed better when given more responsibility, but for some reason he has never received Lindy Ruff's trust. I honestly cant give a reason why, I think Vanek should be our #1 forward.

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Where does vanek rank in the league in goal scoring over the last 3 years?
15th among all players, 10th among dedicated wingers. On par with Iginla, Nash, Hossa, Ryan, Sharp, Selanne in G/G.

http://www.hockey-reference.com/play...order_by=goals

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15th among all players, 10th among dedicated wingers. On par with Iginla, Nash, Hossa, Ryan, Sharp, Selanne in G/G.

http://www.hockey-reference.com/play...order_by=goals
Not sure why it lists him as 15th even, he's tied with Staal but with 13 fewer games.

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His biggest issue and why people get frustrated with him is being inconsistent. He scores 10 goals in 15 games and then scores 2 in his next 10. He's just a non-factor for stretches of time.
A lot of goal scorers are. Sometimes they go in. Sometimes they don't. The effort is still there. They just get into funks mentally. Only the true elite can consistently do it.

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15th among all players, 10th among dedicated wingers. On par with Iginla, Nash, Hossa, Ryan, Sharp, Selanne in G/G.

http://www.hockey-reference.com/play...order_by=goals
Pretty sure I said the last 3 years, not the last 4. 86 goals over last 3, 126 over last 4... Care to post a link to the stat I requested?

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People wonder why the Sabres would go all out for someone like Doan. IMO we have goal scorers, Sabres just dont have leadership to go with it. They get rattled in tough situations.

We can say all we want about Poms and Vanek, but facts are they are followers. The Sabres need more Alpha Dogs, Vanek will never be one.

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15th among all players, 10th among dedicated wingers. On par with Iginla, Nash, Hossa, Ryan, Sharp, Selanne in G/G.

http://www.hockey-reference.com/play...order_by=goals
Owned.

"There's a reason Vanek was picked 5th "

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Guy knows how to score goals, though with all the hate he gets around here, you wouldn't know it. Vanek's one of only 4 active NHLers to have at least 25 goals in each of his first 7 seasons, and he's with some pretty elite company there.
Jagr,Kovy,Ovy and Vanek.Vanek sucks though according to one poster here though so it must be true.

True fact, Vanek has outscored Ryan in points 3 out of the last 4 years, so according to Jame only the last 3 years matter.

Ryan ppg past 3 years .783
Vanek ppg past 3 years .817

And which player got the more ice time and got to play with 2 perennial all-stars?But Vanek sucks, riiiiight.And remember, only the past 3 years matter.So Ovechkin sucks also, he only scored 40+ goals once these past 3 seasons, Gaborik is better right Jame?You know since Gaborik has more 40 goal seasons the past 3 years then Ovy and Jame's Rules of Order show that only the past 3 years should be taken into consideration.


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FYI the answer is 24th
Vanek is 24th in goal scoring over the last 3 years... For some perspective, burrows is 22nd.... Bobby Ryan is 8th

Vanek is the player we've seen over the last 3 years. He's not an elite goal scorer.

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15th among all players, 10th among dedicated wingers. On par with Iginla, Nash, Hossa, Ryan, Sharp, Selanne in G/G.

http://www.hockey-reference.com/play...order_by=goals
Hmm. T-7th in shooting % too. Imagine how many goals he could be getting if Ruff gave him the kind of ice time normal first line forwards get.

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FYI the answer is 24th
Vanek is 24th in goal scoring over the last 3 years... For some perspective, burrows is 22nd.... Bobby Ryan is 8th

Vanek is the player we've seen over the last 3 years. He's not an elite goal scorer.
Vanek can pop 40 in any year. He is just inconsistent.

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Are there any players post lockout who scored 40, then didn't score more then 31 for 3 straight seasons, and then returned to 40 goal glory? I'm guessing not... Maybe I'm wrong. Regardless it's a mistake to believe vanek is a anything more then the 30/60 guy he's berated over the last 3 years

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Are there any players post lockout who scored 40, then didn't score more then 31 for 3 straight seasons, and then returned to 40 goal glory? I'm guessing not... Maybe I'm wrong. Regardless it's a mistake to believe vanek is a anything more then the 30/60 guy he's berated over the last 3 years
I do think line mates comes into play, Vanek hasnt had consistent line mates over the last 3 years.

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I do think line mates comes into play, Vanek hasnt had consistent line mates over the last 3 years.
Sabres fans, always making excuses

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