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08-27-2012, 02:53 PM
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Yeah the defense depth is not great, I think simply think its OK in most cases. Kaberle is at a crossroads. He can bounce back and be a legit top4 player (which he seems intent to do, with the reports of him taking training seriously for once) or fall off from the face of the earth into waiver/buy out land.

Its one of the big questions about our defense next year, if he plays well we have good depth, if not we're vulnerable. Its an aspect that can be upgraded at the deadline for sure if the team surprises. Hamrlik's departure really hurt the team, he ought to have been replaced. That was Gauthier's biggest mistake if he believed last year team would compete.
I think Kaberle is the most underrated Habs player on these boards. I consider him a good player. With that said, he is a good insurance on Markov and Subban, but he doesn't provide anything they don't when healthy. He's a puck-moving dman with great vision and great passing skills who can quarterback a power play. However, we don't need three quarterbacks on the team.

Without Kaberle in our lineup, I would say that we are most missing a big shutdown dman (e.g. 2007-08 Komisarek) and someone with a good shot (e.g. Sourray / Streit / Schneider / Bergeron / Wisniewski). With Kaberle in the lineup, we are missing the same things.

I think at the end of this season, if we're lucky enough to have had good health out of Kaberle, Markov, and Subban; Bergevin should consider trading one of them. My preference is to keep Subban, then Markov, then Kaberle. However, that's also everybody else's preferences, so we might get better trade value out of keeping Subban and Kaberle and trading Markov rather than keeping Subban and Markov and trading Kaberle. Puck-moving defensemen are a strength on this roster, we also have Beaulieu and Ellis in the system. We should trade one of Kaberle or Markov to strengthen at positions of weakness, if there's a good opportunity to do so, which is likely as offensive dmen are historically highly rated on the trade market.

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You are right about Hamrlik. Last year at this time I was saying that Markov and Gorges would not replace Hamrlik and Wisniewski. People disagreed with me because they didn't realize that there are new injuries every year.

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08-27-2012, 04:32 PM
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Subban is not a PP quarterback.

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Anyone watching Habs/Pens game 6 from the 2010 playoffs airing on the NHL Network right now? They've been showing the entire series with game 7 starting tonight @ 10 EDT. Just good to see some NHL hockey even if it's a repeat..

Edit.. Cammy ties it @ 2 with his second of the game..


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08-27-2012, 05:18 PM
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Subban is not a PP quarterback.
This is true and in the near future no one should expect him to be one.

He is however, one of the better defenseman in the league at shooting/goal-scoring on the powerplay which will be his role going forward.

In terms of overall results last year Kaberle-Subban was an acceptable first pair on the powerplay. Not league leading brilliance like Markov-Souray/Streit/MAB or the high level of competence displayed by Subban/Hamrlik-Wisniewski but capable. Its the other pairings that failed.

Which is a big reason Weber is looking at a strugle to make the lineup next year, there isn't much point in having a PP specialist that doesn't make the top PP pairing in your starting 6 if he's a liability at even strength. A PP specialist that can't even make the 2nd pairing work is in real trouble.

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I think Kaberle is the most underrated Habs player on these boards. I consider him a good player. With that said, he is a good insurance on Markov and Subban, but he doesn't provide anything they don't when healthy. He's a puck-moving dman with great vision and great passing skills who can quarterback a power play. However, we don't need three quarterbacks on the team.

Without Kaberle in our lineup, I would say that we are most missing a big shutdown dman (e.g. 2007-08 Komisarek) and someone with a good shot (e.g. Sourray / Streit / Schneider / Bergeron / Wisniewski). With Kaberle in the lineup, we are missing the same things.

I think at the end of this season, if we're lucky enough to have had good health out of Kaberle, Markov, and Subban; Bergevin should consider trading one of them. My preference is to keep Subban, then Markov, then Kaberle. However, that's also everybody else's preferences, so we might get better trade value out of keeping Subban and Kaberle and trading Markov rather than keeping Subban and Markov and trading Kaberle. Puck-moving defensemen are a strength on this roster, we also have Beaulieu and Ellis in the system. We should trade one of Kaberle or Markov to strengthen at positions of weakness, if there's a good opportunity to do so, which is likely as offensive dmen are historically highly rated on the trade market.

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You are right about Hamrlik. Last year at this time I was saying that Markov and Gorges would not replace Hamrlik and Wisniewski. People disagreed with me because they didn't realize that there are new injuries every year.
Oh, sure, Kaberle and Subban together were wonderful last season.

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08-27-2012, 05:45 PM
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Oh, sure, Kaberle and Subban together were wonderful last season.
8.6 goals per 60 minutes, 17 goals total.

Basically the same as Subban-Wisniewski the year before (9.1 goals per 60 minutes, 13 total). Not superb numbers but pretty good. Its the rest of the PP pairings that stunk.

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08-27-2012, 06:15 PM
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Subban is not a PP quarterback.
Agreed.

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Oh, sure, Kaberle and Subban together were wonderful last season.
If Subbans shot hadn't turned to mush it would have been deadly. Kaberle was feeding scrubs one timers all ****ing night to watch them sail wide.

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If Subbans shot hadn't turned to mush it would have been deadly. Kaberle was feeding scrubs one timers all ****ing night to watch them sail wide.
Like I said above Kaberle is the most underrated player on these boards.

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08-27-2012, 07:51 PM
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Like I said above Kaberle is the most underrated player on these boards.
That much I can agree with.

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On paper our D is great, deal with it. On the ice though, we have way too much of the same flavor to be competitive...

Bryan Allen is all we needed, but oh well it'll make the emergence of Beaulieu, Ellis and Tinordi that much sweeter.

(no link to the OP but in a few years Thrower will be our own improved homegrown Wisniewski)

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Kreider finished first in the NHL13 tourney with the other rookies at the Upper Deck signing, but it's funny to see the reaction on the Rangers board about it.

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Subban is not a PP quarterback.
Probably not in the true sense of the word like a Markov, Lidstrom, Karlsson, Kaberle with elite passing skills, but he makes an impact on offense. Guys like Weber and Chara put up points mostly with their shot and wouldn't be categorised as QB's but they bring an offensive impact.

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Landeskog named Avalanche captain. Youngest player to be named captain in NHL history.

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Landeskog? Why not Stastny, EJohnson or Duchene?

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Landeskog? Why not Stastny, EJohnson or Duchene?
Because this makes a better attention grabbing headline, and that seems to be what the Avs were after.

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No Lockout?

Don't know if this was posted elsewhere on the board, but according to MacLean, there won't be a lockout this year;

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/...n-maclean.html

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I don't see it. They won't lose an entire season.. but there's ELEVEN days to structure a new CBA.. and they're not even TALKING right now.

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Landeskog? Why not Stastny, EJohnson or Duchene?
According to Avs fans, Duchene was named to most immature player in the room, Stastny tend to dissapear when it counts the most and EJ is really inconsistent. Stastny seemed really happy by the move on Twitter. Maybe he's not the kind of guy built to lead a team but he seems to do the job as an alternate. Hejduk will be the other one. As the main piece of the team, Landeskog was a logic choice despite his age as he always been captain in every team he played and was already an A in the last World Championships while there was a lot of veteran in team Sweden.

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Isn't Hejduk coming back?

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Isn't Hejduk coming back?
He relinquished the C

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Don't know if this was posted elsewhere on the board, but according to MacLean, there won't be a lockout this year;

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/...n-maclean.html
That's a pretty and empty article. There won't be a lockout because? The author's feelings? He doesn't really know. At worst this is a waste of ink and meanwhile there will be a vote to impose a lockout on September 13.

http://www.rds.ca/hockey/chroniques/347375.html

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That's a pretty and empty article. There won't be a lockout because? The author's feelings? He doesn't really know. At worst this is a waste of ink and meanwhile there will be a vote to impose a lockout on September 13.

http://www.rds.ca/hockey/chroniques/347375.html
well one is an opinion piece (very rational imo) of what will happen once season starts, the other is a news bit promoting more the negotiation tactics used by the league. and its NOT a vote to impose a lockout, like you said but its a vote to see if owners want to impose a lock out on the 15th.

i can save you the hassle of waiting for the result: the vote will pass. 100%. Why? because if bettman and the owners knew the vote might be a yes or a no, they would not make it public that they will have a vote. because, if the vote doesn't pass, the negotiations are over and the NHLPA will get whatever they want.
But that doesn't make any sense that this vote actually has any concrete impact, so the "vote on the 13th" is just more talk, and waste of "ink" (bandwidth)

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You think Bettman is bluffing? With the rumors of the league losing money as reported by Lavoie, this feels like a big bluff yes, but ... owners have demonstrated that they're ready to ice skate uphill and defy all rationalism so I think we're headed to a lockout and MacLean is just looking silly with a headline like this and nothing of substance in his article.

I hope his feelings are right though

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You think Bettman is bluffing? With the rumors of the league losing money as reported by Lavoie, this feels like a big bluff yes, but ... owners have demonstrated that they're ready to ice skate uphill and defy all rationalism so I think we're headed to a lockout and MacLean is just looking silly with a headline like this and nothing of substance in his article.

I hope his feelings are right though
his "feelings" are based on patterns seen in other pro leagues in NA in similar situations.

Also i don't think threatening a lock out is him bluffing. Just that if there is no agreement, there is no work. that's normal. The agreement will come; IMO most likely after the 15th, before 1st game of the season. Cancel out the pre games; owners can afford it, players seem to hate it (except for the rookies and players that have to win a roster spot).

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anyone else see Dustin Byfuglien.....dude is massive. He looks like he is wearing a bullet proof vest.

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