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09-04-2012, 03:23 PM
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Now who do you guys think was the worst two-way player to put on a Kings uniform? As much as I loved Sandstrom, he was pretty bad on his own end (watch the Desjardins goal in OT of Game 2 as a perfect example of this).

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09-04-2012, 04:13 PM
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Now who do you guys think was the worst two-way player to put on a Kings uniform? As much as I loved Sandstrom, he was pretty bad on his own end (watch the Desjardins goal in OT of Game 2 as a perfect example of this).
Jimmy Carson was far from effective in his own end. I'm not sure the defensive side of the red line even existed in his mind.

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Now who do you guys think was the worst two-way player to put on a Kings uniform? As much as I loved Sandstrom, he was pretty bad on his own end (watch the Desjardins goal in OT of Game 2 as a perfect example of this).
Does it have to be a forward?

The first version of Jaroslav Modry was pretty brutal. John Slaney was also like watching a pylon is action. Same with Maxim Kuznetsov.

Up front, Donald Audette I don't ever got the word 'backcheck' translated into French for him. Eddie O, as much as I liked him, wasn't really a wonder in his own zone either from what I recall. He did land us Glen Murray though, so that's a nice ending.

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09-04-2012, 09:19 PM
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Tonelli
Kasper
Apps
Bourne
Bert Wilson
Widing
Sykes
Taylor

To name a few off of the top of my head.


We have had a few dandies for sure but the player who went after it in every zone as hard as he could every shift that I ever saw in a Kings uni was JT. I would say for the way the game has changed that Kopitar while an amazing player and one of the top 5 centers in Kings history imo while very very good in every zone he is still becoming a great two way player. He is up there for sure but not among the very best just yet.
Well Kopitar is better than every person on your list except maybe Taylor. But Kopi plays Centre and that's a much harder than playing wing. Mike Murphy was very good. Bert Wilson, Sykes, Kasper, and Bourne(When playing with the Kings) were defensive guys not so much 2 way.

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Now who do you guys think was the worst two-way player to put on a Kings uniform? As much as I loved Sandstrom, he was pretty bad on his own end (watch the Desjardins goal in OT of Game 2 as a perfect example of this).
Sandstrom is a good call. Luc was horrendous in his own end, loved him as an offensive player though. Stumpel wasn't a very good defensive center. Ryan Smyth still takes the cake for me as the worst defensive forward out of guys who played top 6 roles.

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09-04-2012, 10:44 PM
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Sandstrom is a good call. Luc was horrendous in his own end, loved him as an offensive player though. Stumpel wasn't a very good defensive center. Ryan Smyth still takes the cake for me as the worst defensive forward out of guys who played top 6 roles.
What negative category does Ryan Smyth NOT take the cake for you?

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What negative category does Ryan Smyth NOT take the cake for you?
He was pretty good at standing in front of the net on the PP and tipping in/having shots hit him.

I can't think of another positive thing he brings to a hockey team, well other than making Kopi a Selke caliber center.

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Sandstrom is a good call. Luc was horrendous in his own end, loved him as an offensive player though. Stumpel wasn't a very good defensive center. Ryan Smyth still takes the cake for me as the worst defensive forward out of guys who played top 6 roles.

Sandstrom is NOT a good call. He was rarely a liability. Neither was Stumpel. Ryan Smyth has only recently become a liability. Kurri was not as good as many are saying. Kurri could actually be in the running for worst two way player while on the kings. Jim Fox was actually not that good. Kevin Stevens was horrible. So was Ray Ferraro during his time as a King.

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Worst two-way player? Gotta be Charlie Huddy. Terrible at both ends of the ice.

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Well Kopitar is better than every person on your list except maybe Taylor. But Kopi plays Centre and that's a much harder than playing wing. Mike Murphy was very good. Bert Wilson, Sykes, Kasper, and Bourne(When playing with the Kings) were defensive guys not so much 2 way.
Kopitar is better in this era of hockey but Apps was easily one of the best two way forwards of his day. Kasper was THE guy that 99 said was the toughest player he ever faced hands down and while he was more a defencive zone specialist he also had nice hands and was useful in the Ozone.

Don" get me wrong, Kopi may end up being the best of all time but as of today he is still becoming the two way player that will make him so.

Marcel wasn't a two way player really at all. He was a brilliant offencive player but he wasn't really anything special in his own end. Remember that the knock on DT when he was early in his career was that he was an all out offencive specialist but not so hot anywhere else. He became better and better as his career went along but he didn't start out as anything more than a hard nosed RW with an eye for the net.

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Kopitar is better in this era of hockey but Apps was easily one of the best two way forwards of his day. Kasper was THE guy that 99 said was the toughest player he ever faced hands down and while he was more a defencive zone specialist he also had nice hands and was useful in the Ozone.

Don" get me wrong, Kopi may end up being the best of all time but as of today he is still becoming the two way player that will make him so.

Marcel wasn't a two way player really at all. He was a brilliant offencive player but he wasn't really anything special in his own end. Remember that the knock on DT when he was early in his career was that he was an all out offencive specialist but not so hot anywhere else. He became better and better as his career went along but he didn't start out as anything more than a hard nosed RW with an eye for the net.
I agree Apps and Kasper were very good 2 way players but that was before they became a King. As Kings they were not very good. Apps was on the tail end of his career and Kasper who played well on that initial Gretzky team but otherwise not much. I guess that 89 team he may have been the only forward back checking so have to give him credit for that.

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