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09-06-2012, 01:41 AM
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When you add Cowen and BoroCop to Neil and Smith, I think we now have all the muscle we need for the foreseeable future.
But I was told by some posters on this site that losing Carkner & Konopka was akin to waiving a white flag to the league's other 29 teams... that we were ready to roll over, and become doormats.



Also: you forgot Methot. You can't have a discussion about muscle on this team without including Methot. Guy led the Blue Jackets blueline in hits a couple of times in his career already.


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09-06-2012, 08:06 AM
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Smith has that sandpaper style that we covet. He does need to stay out of the box. Konopka was great when he was on, but he took (to me) too many penalties that were not really necessary. Smith has some skill and I'd rather see that on display than him on display in the box.

Konopka's gone and I hope the guys we are pegging to fill his shoes understand that he was a different beast and they need to keep developing their own style.

When Smith is allowed to play, he can be very effective and score a little.

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09-06-2012, 08:37 AM
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Itís a bit off topic but can someone explain this to me? I see that he played for the Manitoba moose in the playoffs right before he got drafted by us. How could we have drafted him if he was on a contract with the Vancouver organization?

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09-06-2012, 08:45 AM
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Itís a bit off topic but can someone explain this to me? I see that he played for the Manitoba moose in the playoffs right before he got drafted by us. How could we have drafted him if he was on a contract with the Vancouver organization?
When we drafted Smith he was twenty years old, at the conclusion of the 2008 Swift Current Bronco season he wanted to get some professional experience before the draft in which he signed an amateur agreement with the Manitoba Moose, the then Vancouver Canucks affiliate.

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IIRC he played for the Moose on an amateur tryout contract, then re-entered the draft as an over-ager.

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When we drafted Smith he was twenty years old, at the conclusion of the 2008 Swift Current Bronco season he wanted to get some professional experience before the draft in which he signed an amateur agreement with the Manitoba Moose, the then Vancouver Canucks affiliate.
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Itís a bit off topic but can someone explain this to me? I see that he played for the Manitoba moose in the playoffs right before he got drafted by us. How could we have drafted him if he was on a contract with the Vancouver organization?
That's so funny! At first i thought you photoshopped it. I was thinking "NICE JOB!"

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09-06-2012, 09:58 AM
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With the idea if salary roll backs and the team1200 yesterday expecting 15% roll back this salary really is gonna hit around 1.5 mil.

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During the regular season, Konopka's "intimidation" factor was virtually nil because he'd tend to fight a guy in the opening 5 minutes of every game.

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With the idea if salary roll backs and the team1200 yesterday expecting 15% roll back this salary really is gonna hit around 1.5 mil.
Based on this I'm a little confused by Smith and Turris wanted to sign their deals before the CBA was signed.

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09-06-2012, 10:34 AM
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Based on this I'm a little confused by Smith and Turris wanted to sign their deals before the CBA was signed.
Me too tbh but they were saying on the radio they must have negotiated assuming rollbacks we're happening especially if the salary cap drops.

Also Taylor hall and eberle if 15% rollbacks happen, are really sitting closer to 5 mil than 6.

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09-06-2012, 11:02 AM
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Me too tbh but they were saying on the radio they must have negotiated assuming rollbacks we're happening especially if the salary cap drops.

Also Taylor hall and eberle if 15% rollbacks happen, are really sitting closer to 5 mil than 6.
The talk of a rollback is purely speculation at this point. I haven't heard anywhere, that any of the proposals so far have had rollbacks in them. This CBA required a rollback because it was the first time they introduced a salary cap and every team was over the 39M cap that was put in place.

I would be surprised to see the buyout period be put in place again this time as well. It's not like anything radical is changing this time around. The cap may drop a bit, but nothing like in 2004.

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The talk of a rollback is purely speculation at this point. I haven't heard anywhere, that any of the proposals so far have had rollbacks in them. This CBA required a rollback because it was the first time they introduced a salary cap and every team was over the 39M cap that was put in place.

I would be surprised to see the buyout period be put in place again this time as well. It's not like anything radical is changing this time around. The cap may drop a bit, but nothing like in 2004.
For sure its all specilation, but What do you think is gonna happen to teams Like Vancouver that currently have 2 mill in cap space? Or the wild?

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09-06-2012, 11:24 AM
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I don't even understand why they need to do "Rollbacks". If the players main sticking point is that they signed contracts in good faith, then make the owners pay them their full contract, and artificially lower their cap hit.

Basically their hit would show up as 15% less then what it started out as, but their salary would remain the exact same. All future contracts would be signed properly and all the older ones would be grandfathered with the adjusted hits.

That way the stupid owners who paid too much still get dinged and the players still get their money. Going forwards the league would be "stable" with all the rest of the HRR hoopla.

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For sure its all specilation, but What do you think is gonna happen to teams Like Vancouver that currently have 2 mill in cap space? Or the wild?
i can't see the players agreeing to another roll back. they caved in last time, don't think they'll do it this time.

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lol who brought up Schaefer?




I was thinking the other day that if he centers Greening an Zibanejad next season, he could score close to 20. Two big fast guys on the Wings with skill to recover the puck for him and allow him to use his shot more

Or even better :

Latendresse-Spezza-Michalek
Regin-Turris-Alfredsson
Silfverberg-Smith-Zibanejad
Greening-O'Brien-Neil
Condra

Please Lord give us a NHL season, amen.
Im liking some of these combos...This team is starting to come together nicely.

Man Im jones'in to see these guys play!!

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For sure its all specilation, but What do you think is gonna happen to teams Like Vancouver that currently have 2 mill in cap space? Or the wild?
Or what if the cap stays the same?
What if, what if.... we're just going to have to wait and see.

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Based on this I'm a little confused by Smith and Turris wanted to sign their deals before the CBA was signed.
Haven't you read the book "Mind Games" ?

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I don't even understand why they need to do "Rollbacks". If the players main sticking point is that they signed contracts in good faith, then make the owners pay them their full contract, and artificially lower their cap hit.

Basically their hit would show up as 15% less then what it started out as, but their salary would remain the exact same. All future contracts would be signed properly and all the older ones would be grandfathered with the adjusted hits.

That way the stupid owners who paid too much still get dinged and the players still get their money. Going forwards the league would be "stable" with all the rest of the HRR hoopla.
It's so the team can get cheaper contracts in the future and current players don't loose thier jobs just so teams can be under the salary cap.

And if if other people think the cap is not going down then you need to read what the owners want. They want lower salary cap and more share of the revinew.

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It's so the team can get cheaper contracts in the future and current players don't loose thier jobs just so teams can be under the salary cap.

And if if other people think the cap is not going down then you need to read what the owners want. They want lower salary cap and more share of the revinew.
I understand they want them to be cheaper and they need to stay below the cap. That is why I proposed that they artificially lower their cap hits instead of actually rolling them back.

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I understand they want them to be cheaper and they need to stay below the cap. That is why I proposed that they artificially lower their cap hits instead of actually rolling them back.
O sorry I musta misunderstood I get what your saying now I don't think the owners will do that though, but it's basically they don't want to pay all the money even the owners that are currently at the cap floor

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But I was told by some posters on this site that losing Carkner & Konopka was akin to waiving a white flag to the league's other 29 teams... that we were ready to roll over, and become doormats.



Also: you forgot Methot. You can't have a discussion about muscle on this team without including Methot. Guy led the Blue Jackets blueline in hits a couple of times in his career already.
Zibanejad is not soft either, add him to the list

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Fair points...and I certainly hope you're right. I personally don't see him as part of the core of the team, but perhaps that's just me. I really agreed with the Turris signing because I see him as part of the core (and the top 2 lines).

I remember when Peter Schaefer signed a 4 year, $8.5M deal before the 2006-07 season and most SENS fans thought he was part of the core of the team going forward...and 1-2 years later, we all wanted him out of town and he was given away for salary cap reasons. I just hope that history isn't repeating itself...but Smith is younger and grittier than Schaefer was, so perhaps you're right.
A couple of things. First, 1.88 in 2012 is different than what Schaefer got in 2006, in terms of share of the cap.

Second, I used to be like you. I really disliked the Kelly and Neil contracts when they were signed by Murray. I had the same hesitation with signing bottom 6 guys, because there are seemingly cheap replacements out in the market every summer. With that said, over time the Kelly and Neil contracts proved to be quite good.

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I don't even understand why they need to do "Rollbacks". If the players main sticking point is that they signed contracts in good faith, then make the owners pay them their full contract, and artificially lower their cap hit.

Basically their hit would show up as 15% less then what it started out as, but their salary would remain the exact same. All future contracts would be signed properly and all the older ones would be grandfathered with the adjusted hits.

That way the stupid owners who paid too much still get dinged and the players still get their money. Going forwards the league would be "stable" with all the rest of the HRR hoopla.
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It's so the team can get cheaper contracts in the future and current players don't loose thier jobs just so teams can be under the salary cap.

And if if other people think the cap is not going down then you need to read what the owners want. They want lower salary cap and more share of the revinew.
This, but also because the small market teams care more about player salaries than cap hits. They want a rollback because it decreases their expenditures and could push them closer to profitability.

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This, but also because the small market teams care more about player salaries than cap hits. They want a rollback because it decreases their expenditures and could push them closer to profitability.
I normally side with the owners and the league on most issues, but not on that one. I'm sure they'd love to lower expenditures and they can do that by giving out reasonable contracts from now on. There is no way the players should have to roll back their salaries. Cap problems can be fixed artificially and everything else is the fault of the respective organization. If they agreed to pay a player a certain amount then they should have to honor that.

If your boss came up to you and was like: "Yeah you know how we signed a contract saying I'd pay you X? well I'm too poor so you are only getting Y." I'm pretty sure you wouldn't agree to that.

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