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Which teams have a dman available and which teams would want him?

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09-05-2012, 04:15 PM
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Harri Pesonen is a left winger
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PUAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAhAA. What else would you include to get a top pair D to Paajarvi, Yakupov? Please. Sekera would instantly become your best defenseman.
I don't agree with that, I would take Smid, Petry, and both Schultz.

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09-05-2012, 05:23 PM
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Depending on the outcome, the Isles could be in need of one. I think Rozival as a free agent would be an option and depending on price Ballard would be a logical trade option; but again that would be contingent on price.
How about Grabner and a 1st? ;-)

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PUAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAhAA. What else would you include to get a top pair D to Paajarvi, Yakupov? Please. Sekera would instantly become your best defenseman.
Your honestly telling me that Sekera is better then Smid, Whitney, Petry, and N.Schultz.

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09-05-2012, 06:19 PM
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Your honestly telling me that Sekera is better then Smid, Whitney, Petry, and N.Schultz.
Such solid defensemen that they got Edmonton in the bottom third of the league in GA/G.

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09-05-2012, 08:30 PM
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He's essentially as effective as Smid if not more so, while replacing the latter's physical game with a more positional one revolving around Rej's absurd skating ability. And he isn't soft. He'll take hits to make plays and takes the body when it's convenient.

Either Schultz doesn't factor into the conversation, and it's been a season and a half since we've seen anything from Whitney.

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09-05-2012, 09:07 PM
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Carolina could use a shutdown d. I'd love to get Murray from the sharks, anyone know what it would take.

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Your honestly telling me that Sekera is better then Smid, Whitney, Petry, and N.Schultz.
Not Smid. But the rest yes he is.

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Carolina could use a shutdown d. I'd love to get Murray from the sharks, anyone know what it would take.
And I'd love to get Jokinen from the Canes. What do you want?

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Depending on the outcome, the Isles could be in need of one. I think Rozival as a free agent would be an option and depending on price Ballard would be a logical trade option; but again that would be contingent on price.
He'll be an Islander..don't worry.

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Not Smid. But the rest yes he is.
Depends whether or not Whitney returns to his pre-injury ability. If he does he is far better than Sekera. Smid and Sekera are pretty even, though I take Smid because he's more physical.

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the way most Oilers fans talk about their DMen, you'd think they were perennial contenders

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He'll be an Islander..don't worry.
You're probably right but I wouldn't mind adding Rozival for depth even if we get Lubo.

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Your honestly telling me that Sekera is better then Smid, Whitney, Petry, and N.Schultz.
You clearly have never even seen Sekera play since you think he's a PMD and are arguing that Nick SCHULTZ is better than him.

By your definition of soft, RNH is soft. Eberle is soft. Gagner is soft.

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Rangers have enough quality D to get by, no extra to spare now, decent to excellent prospects in the pipe, are looking for depth, but more upgrade.

This has not stopped me, in the minority w/my Ranger brethren, from suggesting we trade one (not McDonagh) for another sniper w/o issues. However, that has to be a premium player w/sniper ability.

Lesser deals can be explored. There seems to be a roughly 50-50 split w/Hawks fans, for example about something like Brian Boyle + for Dylan Olsen +.

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the way most Oilers fans talk about their DMen, you'd think they were perennial contenders
Not at all. We just have no interest in moving pieces that could be significant roleplayers in the future for D that really don't push any of our own prospects down the lines. Sekera would be on the third pairing in Edmonton due to what's currently there. Could he be better in a couple years...yeah. Could J. Schultz end up better than Sekera in a few years...it's possible. Whitney with N. Schultz on paper is a good pairing and will depend on Whitneys health; Smid/Petry was our best pairing last year and is unlikely to be broken up given how well they played against a level of competition Petry should not have been playing against so early.

Edmonton would rather role the dice with what we have than pick up Sekera, Komisarek, Franson, or any of the other currently 5-6 D being offered to us for the prices being asked. If it was a legit upgrade certainly, but nobody is really offering those D-men this year.

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09-06-2012, 09:02 AM
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You clearly have never even seen Sekera play since you think he's a PMD and are arguing that Nick SCHULTZ is better than him.

By your definition of soft, RNH is soft. Eberle is soft. Gagner is soft.
I do think that's what he meant when he said soft D. Most offensive types aren't overly physical and will appear soft (our own history with Tom Gilbert is a perfect example of a soft offensive type). Sekera is a good D just not what Edmonton needs with the prospects we currently have. Just not a good fit for what it would cost as he wouldn't plug the number 1 D hole and that's really what we need to package players and picks for.

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Not at all. We just have no interest in moving pieces that could be significant roleplayers in the future for D that really don't push any of our own prospects down the lines. Sekera would be on the third pairing in Edmonton due to what's currently there. Could he be better in a couple years...yeah. Could J. Schultz end up better than Sekera in a few years...it's possible. Whitney with N. Schultz on paper is a good pairing and will depend on Whitneys health; Smid/Petry was our best pairing last year and is unlikely to be broken up given how well they played against a level of competition Petry should not have been playing against so early.

Edmonton would rather role the dice with what we have than pick up Sekera, Komisarek, Franson, or any of the other currently 5-6 D being offered to us for the prices being asked. If it was a legit upgrade certainly, but nobody is really offering those D-men this year.
Sekera is not a 5-6 D. You're sadly ill-informed if you actually beleive that.

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09-06-2012, 02:46 PM
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I dont think EDM's dmen are tops, obviously from how theyplayed last year. After EDM traded Gilbert for Schultz thedmen actually played better. Petry and Smid were shutting down the other teams top lines. It really hurt not having Whitney. Smid, Petry, Schultz are a solid 3 players that are top 4 dmen. The signing of Schultz gives us another young player that we are hoping will be a top 2 dmen in a few years. Whitney needs to turn it around.

We need our dmen to stay healthy, that will solve some problems.

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well this is dumb. nobody actually knows which players are available.

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the way most Oilers fans talk about their DMen, you'd think they were perennial contenders
Yea we should take 3rd pairing dmen like Volchenkov or Franson and give up blue chip prospects or one of the big 4 that every thread on HF breaks down into.

HF: "No one wants MPS or Gagner, one of the big 4 durr."
Oiler fans: "3rd pairing dmen arent worth one of the big 4."
HF: "Enjoy being last again ahahah my team is SO awesome"

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I haven't seen that in this thread

but OK

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I would look at a deal surrounding Gagner for Sekera. It would give us a third line center. Would the Oilers be willing to add a 3rd or something?


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Sekera is not a 5-6 D. You're sadly ill-informed if you actually beleive that.
What's sad is you completely ignored the explanation part of my post and focused on what you disagree with. He's not a good fit for Edmonton given the price being asked. He wouldn't push anyone out of a spot in the top 4 short of injuries so it makes more sense from Edm's P.O.V. to not make a trade like that. We're not likely to break pairings prior to injury so he would be playing on the 3rd line to stat the season...which for our current roster would make him the number 5 D at the start of the season.

My honesty opinion of Sekera is similar to Smid but with more offense at the cost of physicality. Smid is one of our best D so no short praise there. Legit 2nd pairing skill and may still have some upside. I'd say his ceiling is a #2 solid defence who can chip in on the play but more likely to settle into a very solid #3 guy who will be able to play with a variety of defensive types. I don't get to watch a lot of Buffalo, and I may be off, but I don't believe I'm too far off in my estimation.

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I would look at a deal surrounding Gagner for Sekera. It would give us a third line center. Would the Oilers be willing to add a 3rd or something?

Ew, no thank you. If we're moving Sekera, it better be in a package to upgrade our top 6 forwards. Leopold for a 3C, sure. Sekera? No way.

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