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09-05-2012, 06:51 PM
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Are people really arguing that Nash is a terrible leader cause he doesn't fight? Jesus Christ.
Players who fight are always better than those who don't. It's science.

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Dubinsky Callahan Kreider all played in front last year at times on the PP......Hagelin has quick hands so itt wont shock me to see him in front on the PP..another player i can see on the PP in front of the net is Pyatt..
you only bolded 1 part of what i wrote. i mentioned callahan and kreider right after that, but it's pretty clear that nash would fit in front better than callahan or kreider if only due to his size.

and i disagree about hagelin having quick hands. he's one of those guys that will come in quick after a shot and be able to tap it in, but i don't think i'd say his hands are quick.

pyatt i haven't seen enough of, but i wouldn't be surprised.

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how will Nash be used on the powerplay???

does any one think Torts will put him on the point on the powerplay. im scared that he might...i hate when a forward is used on the point on the powerplay...
Lets break down our PP and our problem once and for all. This is not hard nor rocket science.

The break down of our Power Play, and pretty much all successful PPs in the league, is pretty simple nowadays. Its much more scientific and streamlined than just 5-10 years ago.

A decent NHL level penalty killing unit is soooo good at getting into shooting lanes right now, that the only way for a PP to even get pucks through to the net comes down to out being able to out manuevere that PK box.

That is the key. To be able to out manuevere a PK box. And that really takes somewhat of a diffrent approch than what you could have like 10 years ago. Before much more effort was put on just getting a player open. If he then had 1-2 PKers between himself and the net didn't matter much. Now many PKers leaves areas of the ice completely open. They let the PP fire away, but make sure that they are in position to block 9 of 10 shots from that position. If not more...

And while there really aren't many ways to out manuevere a box, there are ways. Or, in the broad picture, one way only... First of all, all constructions a sided. IE they are not symmetrical completely, but perfers to start plays from one side of the ice. Then you do the following (if you got the most commone approch to favor the right side of the ice).

You have two sections on your PP:
1. You keep 3 players high in the attacking zone. IE 3 shooters. You get 2 PKing forwards working against 2 Ds and a forward on the PP. Sometimes natrually 1 D and with one forward on the point. The designated play making forward/pointman on the right side of the ice, moves back towards the blueline and and the right D moves torwards the center of the blueline and the other LD/sniper forward on the left side gets into a position for a one-timer towards the far boards close to the blueline.

Here you get a 3 on 2 situation. But modern PK units can handle them. They will back down a bit and basically let the 3 PP players move the puck between them. But as soon as someone gives a hint of shooting the puck. They move up a little towards that player while staying in the lane between that player and the net.

It is not possible to take advantage of this 3 on 2 with much succes. Pucks will just end up hitting bodies on the way to the net and get cleared at a very high rate.

2. You keep 2 players low in the attacking zone. Basically, 1 right shooting net guy/player that can back away from the net and one-time the puck from a LW position and 1 left shooting player in the corner.

The play: You get the puck to the designated play making forward/pointman on the right side of the ice. This player: i) try to engage the PKing forwards high up ice, then pass the puck down low to the 2 forwards who take the puck to the net in a 2 on 2 sitaution. Which is not a great situation, but, if this play is executed 2 of the 3 high PP players can crash the net too and its not entirely easy for the PKers to catch up with these 2 players that also goes to the net. Its easy that you end up on the wrong side of them and les them pick up a loose puck and jam it home. ii) trys to get one of the PKing forwards out of position and get him deep into the defensive zone. If you can do that, you get a 2 on 1 situation on the bluline, and it will be impossible for the sole PKing forward to stay in the shooting lane if he is forced to cover two D's/1D and one forward on the point. The designated playmaking forward/point man accomplish this, to get one of the PKing forwards out of position, by threatining to move the puck deeper down the attacking zone and then cut into the ice in the gap between the PKing forward and the PKing D's. But, inorder to accomplish this, he needs the 1 left handed forward down low to be able to relief him of pressure. Because any of the PKers can just charge out towards him and pin him up against the boards basically.

There are some alternative plays we see of course. The pass from the "LH Designated Play-Maker" in the scheme below to the RH Forward, who have sneaked up in between the PK D's and PK forwards, for a deflection is starting to become more and more common (the Sedins maybe started to do it on a regular basis first).

Our PP:
Of course we try to do this. Our coaches aren't stupid. Never have been. Our PP is definitely not lack of know how. But, we have just not been able to staff a correct PP. This is the positions you need to be able to staff:
(RH:right handed & LH:left handed)

We need to be able to staff the following roles basically. Of course you can twist and turn this set-up some. If you have a Erik Karlsson who is a great playmaker on the blueline he gets more room and responsibility, and the PP set-up is turned into less of a "umbrella". The same applies if you got a great playmaker who thrives deep into the zone. You can also have more of a "set" presens infront of the net, which forces you to overload even more on one side of the ice, or have very little pressure on the puck behind the net. And other smaller variations. But no matter what, you still need to be able to execute the "two" principle plays described above. And you will never be able to execute play ii) unless you are very good at moving the puck around the perimeter of the PK box, so that you can force it to "turn" and eventually force the box to choose between taking away 1 of 2 options and go with the other.

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------------------------------NET--------------------------------------
-------------------------------------------------------------LH Forward
-------RH Forward-----PKer--------------PKer----------------------------
------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------PKer--------------PKer---------------------------
--------------------------------------------------LH Designated Play-Maker
RH Defensemen/point-----------------------------------------------------
------------------------D who can move the puck----------------------
----------------------------BLUE LINE--------------------------------

All roles natrually have diffrent needs, but, since the key is to -- out manuevere that PK box -- its of course extremely important that the two bolded roles can read a PK box and move the puck between them even if they are pressured very hard.

As a "LH Designated Play-Maker" we have one of the best in the game in Brad Richards. But we have nobody for the LH Forward role. Nobody. Gabby is just plain too dum to play in that role. He just can't make the decisions nor really physically play keep aways with the puck. In Dallas BR had Mike Riberio down low and in Tampa he had Vincent LeCavalier. Here its been a mix of Gabby or like Dubinsky or someone like that, and nobody have really understood the function given to them or been able to deliver the thought process behind how the PP should be set up. Where the puck should be put depending on how the PK box is moved around.

What we already have is basically something like this
------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------NET-------------------------------------
------------Callahan---------------------------------------XXXXXXXX
-----------------------PKer--------------PKer------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------------------------
---Stepan-------------PKer--------------PKer---------------------------
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---------------------------------------------------------Brad Ríchards
-------------------Del Zotto---------------------------------------------
------------------------BLUE LINE--------------------------------

Since we just didn't have the materia to take advantage of Brad Richard in the role he is so extremely good in, we where forced last season to use a set up from the left side by Derek Stepan. With BR in the smaller role on the right side, held by Callahan on the left side in the opposite scheme above. With that set up, Stepan had a playpal in MDZ on the left side, which was a upgrade over starting on the right side where BR just didn't have anyone to play keep away with...

Without any single doubt, what would be optimal would be if RICH NASH could handle the role Gabby has been unable to handle. Fill the XXXXXXXXXX-vacant spot above. But, and I've said this before, I am not sold on it. It remains to be seen. Nash isn't either really that crisp passer that we miss. But he is atleast very good at taking the puck to the net from that position.

It would also most definitely have been better if the player in the Del Zotto role above was a RH shot... Again, in Tampa Brad Richards had Boyle next to him in the role MDZ holds above and in Dallas Brad Richards had Sergei Zubov besides him for a long time, both right shooting players.


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09-07-2012, 06:31 AM
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Kreider played the right point on the PP at time for BC last season. Right wing face-off circle on a 4 on 3 or 5 on 3. He can really shoot the puck.

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