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09-07-2012, 01:51 PM
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Then you haven't paid much attention. RNH was consistently compared to Gretzky in terms of vision around the draft.
I always pay attention to the NHL. Funny how people just try to insult other people when they haven't heard/or disagree with peoples comments on this site. I will admit I didn't watch the draft though, because of work. I miss the draft every year and just get the updates on my phone.

I saw one person who said that about RNH, and it seems like the fan base has run away with it. Pro scouts make comparisons all the time, and some are better than worse. I would put this one in the worse category.

Even after all this nonsense my argument with Edmonton was that RNH won't be >>>> ahead of Couts in the offensive side of the game in a few years. They are being brought along at different rates, but when Couts is fully developed he should be a very productive #1 center in the league. Even if he is playing behind Giroux.

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09-07-2012, 02:03 PM
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I always pay attention to the NHL. Funny how people just try to insult other people when they haven't heard/or disagree with peoples comments on this site. I will admit I didn't watch the draft though, because of work. I miss the draft every year and just get the updates on my phone.

I saw one person who said that about RNH, and it seems like the fan base has run away with it. Pro scouts make comparisons all the time, and some are better than worse. I would put this one in the worse category.

Even after all this nonsense my argument with Edmonton was that RNH won't be >>>> ahead of Couts in the offensive side of the game in a few years. They are being brought along at different rates, but when Couts is fully developed he should be a very productive #1 center in the league. Even if he is playing behind Giroux.
Analysts compared RNH vision to Gretzky. But they also compared him to like 5 other players. Oiler fans are really running with what the scouts said just before the draft. RNH isn't even close to Gretzky.

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09-07-2012, 02:20 PM
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RNH Couts
GP 62 77
SH TO/I 2mins 207mins
PP TO/I 186mins 34mins
Point 53 27
PPpts 23 1
+/- -2 18

Couts would be right up there if he had first line minutes and that much PP time. With his great two play

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09-07-2012, 02:24 PM
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RNH Couts
GP 62 77
SH TO/I 2mins 207mins
PP TO/I 186mins 34mins
Point 53 27
PPpts 23 1
+/- -2 18

Couts would be right up there if he had first line minutes and that much PP time. With his great two play
RNH had twice as many points in 15 less games. I dunno, man.

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09-07-2012, 02:31 PM
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RNH had twice as many points in 15 less games. I dunno, man.
That's because he's a better player. But not by so much as the point totals suggest, not is it something that is certain not to change going forward.

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09-07-2012, 02:32 PM
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That's because he's a better player. But not by so much as the point totals suggest, not is it something that is certain not to change going forward.
2-way forwards do no historically put up huge numbers either, considering they spend most of their time preventing and cleaning up messes.

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09-07-2012, 02:37 PM
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Schenn and the 8th overall for mike Richards
would you trade Richards for the1st overall

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09-07-2012, 02:42 PM
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Wrong trade

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09-07-2012, 02:47 PM
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I love I mean love couturier, but dude seems like Paajarvi to me. Keep in mind I love and I mean love paajarvi!!!

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09-07-2012, 03:01 PM
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RNH Couts
GP 62 77
SH TO/I 2mins 207mins
PP TO/I 186mins 34mins
Point 53 27
PPpts 23 1
+/- -2 18

Couts would be right up there if he had first line minutes and that much PP time. With his great two play
I absolutely hate that argument. You could use it for a bunch of forwards who are stuck in defensive roles with mediocre line mates. The numbers don't translate as easy as most want to believe.

I don't know how many times on this website I have to hear about a player who's playing with mediocre line mates, not getting PP time (or 1st PP time, which it'll be next for Couturier when he doesn't produce like Flyers fans want him to), and playing in a shut down role means if the player was put in a better offensive role they'd be a "2 way, Selke Caliber, PPG forward". It's one of the most annoying things to hear and just about every fan base does it with someone (i.e., Ryan O'Reilly).

RNH has more offensive potential than Couturier. Couturier is massively overrated by Flyers fans.

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2-way forwards do no historically put up huge numbers either, considering they spend most of their time preventing and cleaning up messes.
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I love I mean love couturier, but dude seems like Paajarvi to me. Keep in mind I love and I mean love paajarvi!!!
Hah, I used that comparison with one of my friends and they got mad. Too bad they have a lot in common. Players that fell. Were considered steals after good first years. Etc.

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09-07-2012, 03:17 PM
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I absolutely hate that argument. You could use it for a bunch of forwards who are stuck in defensive roles with mediocre line mates. The numbers don't translate as easy as most want to believe.

I don't know how many times on this website I have to hear about a player who's playing with mediocre line mates, not getting PP time (or 1st PP time, which it'll be next for Couturier when he doesn't produce like Flyers fans want him to), and playing in a shut down role means if the player was put in a better offensive role they'd be a "2 way, Selke Caliber, PPG forward". It's one of the most annoying things to hear and just about every fan base does it with someone (i.e., Ryan O'Reilly).

RNH has more offensive potential than Couturier. Couturier is massively overrated by Flyers fans.



Agreed.



Hah, I used that comparison with one of my friends and they got mad. Too bad they have a lot in common. Players that fell. Were considered steals after good first years. Etc.
So your saying that James Neal would of put up the same numbers if he wasn't with Maklin

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09-07-2012, 03:37 PM
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Schenn and the 8th overall for mike Richards
would you trade Richards for the1st overall
Urgh

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09-07-2012, 03:41 PM
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I haven't seen that comparison before, but before we throw Gretzky out there, he should maybe eclipse Crosby first. If Edmonton fans really think they have a new Gretzky on their hands, they are in for a huge disappointment.
The problem with HF is people get stuck on a name. Why bother bringing up Crosby, as far as I know nobody says he plays a similar style to Gretzky. The poster wasnt saying he was as good as Gretzky but played a similar game.

You havent seen that comparison but from November on the Edmonton media is pretty much focusing on the draft and we got nuge info alot. Ken Hitchcock said he initially thought Sakic light but then said he is more like Datsyuk.

Before you go rage mode Ken Hitchcock did not say he was as good as Datsyuk but that he played a similar style.

So no Oiler fans wont be dissapointed thinking RNH has high hockey IQ because he already has showed its some of the best on the team at 18

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I absolutely hate that argument. You could use it for a bunch of forwards who are stuck in defensive roles with mediocre line mates. The numbers don't translate as easy as most want to believe.

I don't know how many times on this website I have to hear about a player who's playing with mediocre line mates, not getting PP time (or 1st PP time, which it'll be next for Couturier when he doesn't produce like Flyers fans want him to), and playing in a shut down role means if the player was put in a better offensive role they'd be a "2 way, Selke Caliber, PPG forward". It's one of the most annoying things to hear and just about every fan base does it with someone (i.e., Ryan O'Reilly).

RNH has more offensive potential than Couturier. Couturier is massively overrated by Flyers fans.
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So your saying that James Neal would of put up the same numbers if he wasn't with Maklin
Where did I say that? What does James Neal have to do with absolutely anything? How does he possibly fit into this equation at all?

RNH will be heads and shoulders a better player than James Neal if your trying to equate the 2. They are nothing alike.

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I'm not sld on couturier yet, schenns been just great in every league but ok as a youngin in the nhl. As an out sider I would rather keep Gagner and Yakupov over schenn and couturier. Neither Philly players have shown more than Gagner although I think couturier could be a little better than Gagner as a 50-55 point player but if it were me I'd keep Yakupov and Gagner( still really young could break out still).
Agreed. I think Yak will be an elite player in the league. Schenn, Gagner Couts will be nice 2nd liners. Yak is the best player in the trade.

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09-07-2012, 03:59 PM
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Doubt very much the Oilers trade Yakupov. Also can't see them having an interest in Schenn.

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It could make sense to make deal based on Yakupov - Schenn, but since they acquired the other Schenn also they probably would have to package both of them..

Schenn+Schenn for Yakupov + 2nd

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Where did I say that? What does James Neal have to do with absolutely anything? How does he possibly fit into this equation at all?

RNH will be heads and shoulders a better player than James Neal if your trying to equate the 2. They are nothing alike.
That's a bit presumptuous considering RNH has all of 62 games in the NHL. Neal had a great season and is still trending upwards. Why don't you wait until the sample size is larger before making definite statements like that.

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Philly fans think Couturier is better than RNH... this thread is going to go downhill, and fast.
Well, I DID call it...

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That's a bit presumptuous considering RNH has all of 62 games in the NHL. Neal had a great season and is still trending upwards. Why don't you wait until the sample size is larger before making definite statements like that.
Yeah, you could say that about just about everyone, including Islander fans when they talk about Tavares, no? When they say he's going to be up there with Stamkos and co.? When they said he was better than Giroux? All that?

James Neal is completely dependent on his center. He's a 25-30 goal scorer who's inconsistent throughout the year. He's a good player, but RNH will be better than him.

BTW, not even a Oilers fan. But James Neal is overrated.

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...yes. I'm saying their style of play is somewhat similar. What I'm not saying is that RNH will pot 200+ points. But he has a good shot at being a top scorer for much of his career because he has many of the attributes that made Gretzky successful.
Top scorer? No... Let's see if he can hit 80 points first, let alone 100+

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Yeah, you could say that about just about everyone, including Islander fans when they talk about Tavares, no? When they say he's going to be up there with Stamkos and co.? When they said he was better than Giroux? All that?

James Neal is completely dependent on his center. He's a 25-30 goal scorer who's inconsistent throughout the year. He's a good player, but RNH will be better than him.

BTW, not even a Oilers fan. But James Neal is overrated.
Tavares and Stamkos are better than Giroux.
Neal is a center.

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Yeah, you could say that about just about everyone, including Islander fans when they talk about Tavares, no? When they say he's going to be up there with Stamkos and co.? When they said he was better than Giroux? All that?

James Neal is completely dependent on his center. He's a 25-30 goal scorer who's inconsistent throughout the year. He's a good player, but RNH will be better than him.

BTW, not even a Oilers fan. But James Neal is overrated.
How exactly is Neal overrated when every time his name comes up, people talk about him being a product of Malkin?

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Neal is a center.
Neal is a winger.

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Tavares and Stamkos are better than Giroux.
Neal is a center.
He may be one day but what has Tavares ever done to this day to warrant being better than Giroux?!?

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How exactly is Neal overrated when every time his name comes up, people talk about him being a product of Malkin?



Neal is a winger.
He played center for Dallas the past season, I am almost certain about this.

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