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will never happen...nassau/suffolk is dead....suburban area cannot support a team...todays sports world you need coporate seats and luxury boxes within an urban business area ... 20,000 seat arena but only 9500 people will show up in the suburbs
Agree. This only happens if Wang is as dumb with staying on LI as he's been with most everything else.
Also, isn't calling Long Island "suburban" a bit misleading? It's much more densely populated than most American suburbs. It isn't like the suburbs of even other large US cities like Atlanta or Dallas.
My experience is that Long Island has a much more urban feel to it than most US suburbs. And that's just due to the population density. I think most people, when they hear "suburban" have an image in my mind which is quite different from the reality of Long Island.
If Long Island (geographic, including Brooklyn/Queens) was a separate Designated Metro Area from the rest of NYC, it would be the #4 DMA in the US:
LA 12.94
NYC* 11.55
CHI 9.51
LI* 7.57
DAL 6.53
If you counted just Nassau-Suffolk Counties, it's #18 in the US.
#16 MIN 3.32
#17 San Diego 3.140
#18 Nassau-Suffolk 2.88
#19 TB 2.82
#20 STL 2.82
If you counted Nassau-Brooklyn-Queens (which geographically, is more of the Islanders territory, since the east end of Suffolk is way further away then the east end of Brooklyn/Queens) it's #6 in the US
#1 LA 12.94
#2 NYC* 12.94
#3 CHI 9.50
#4 DAL 6.53
#5 HOU 6.09
#6 LI* 6.07
#7 PHI 5.99
*-Obviously, removing these new DMA's from NYC's total DMA.
they're already in the NYC metro area. moving to brooklyn doesnt make it three teams there, it keeps it at three teams there. All it does is make it more convenient for some fans to get there and increases the corporate revenue potential.
as i've said before, territory and capacity are not issues to worry about in brooklyn. The issue is if the isles would be viable enough as a secondary tenant without the additional arena revenue in wang's pockets.
Agree. This only happens if Wang is as dumb with staying on LI as he's been with most everything else.
1. Wang has repeatedly said in interviews, he wants the team to remain in Nassau.
2.Wang has rejected a sales offer from a local businessman (Peltz).
3.Each time the Canadian press has jumped the gun and gleefully announced the team is for sale, Wang plays grinch and publicly announces they are not for sale.
Yeah, I'd say the self made millionaire is dumb enough, to want to keep his team in Nassau County.
they're already in the NYC metro area. moving to brooklyn doesnt make it three teams there, it keeps it at three teams there. All it does is make it more convenient for some fans to get there and increases the corporate revenue potential.
as i've said before, territory and capacity are not issues to worry about in brooklyn. The issue is if the isles would be viable enough as a secondary tenant without the additional arena revenue in wang's pockets.
Another big issue, is Bettman's opinion on Barclay's as the new Isles home.
It's important for NYI fans that Bettman be on board with a move to Barclay.
Ratner's group or Peltz are potential buyers in 2015 imo.
It's funny in an ironic way to see the NVC referred to as a toilet and then learn it's right by a town called Flushing
That "town" is the closest thing you'll find to Honk Kong or Seoul in the Western Hemisphere. The name is old school, we're just used to it. When the Mets announced environmentally friendly no-water urinals during Citi Field construction, the punch line was "no flushing in flushing!"
But seriously, take out a map, NVC is nowhere near flushing
That "town" is the closest thing you'll find to Honk Kong or Seoul in the Western Hemisphere. The name is old school, we're just used to it. When the Mets announced environmentally friendly no-water urinals during Citi Field construction, the punch line was "no flushing in flushing!"
But seriously, take out a map, NVC is nowhere near flushing
NVMC is not close to Flushing!? Its only about 20 miles away. You could make that drive in less than half an hour during off peak hours and about 40 minutes tops going east at around 6.
they're already in the NYC metro area. moving to brooklyn doesnt make it three teams there, it keeps it at three teams there.
If that was directed at me, I was merely responding to the "Suburban is kind of misleading for Long Island" comments as it relates to population density.
No one is saying NYI isn't in the NYC metro area.
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The issue is if the isles would be viable enough as a secondary tenant without the additional arena revenue in wang's pockets.
That's what worries me the most. Ratner wanted the Nets as TENANTS in his building. He's trying to get the revenues that come with sports ownership without absorbing the large cost of paying players.
Would moving to Barclays merely be trading SMG for Ratner? Meet the new boss, same as the old boss, and the revenue issues remain.
No doubt it would be a LITTLE better in a brand new arena rather than our 40-year old dump. But the goal isn't to become the Blues in terms of revenue; it's to become the Flyers/Bruins in terms of revenue.
NVMC is not close to Flushing!? Its only about 20 miles away. You could make that drive in less than half an hour during off peak hours and about 40 minutes tops going east at around 6.
You call 30 minutes "right by" ? Yeah maybe if you live in the middle of nowhere in Kansas
I really gotta wonder about some of you guys who live on Long Island, who pretty universally refer to Manhattan as "The City" (are Brooklyn, Queens, the Bronx supposed to be the suburbs or something? )
Here's a free memo, between Uniondale and Flushing there's Garden City, New Hyde Park, Glen Oaks, Bayside, Fresh Meadows, Jamaica, and then you hit Flushing. If in your world Flushing is next to the Coliseum, then whatever makes you happy man
Send Wang a memo. I'm sure your message board opinion will carry a ton of weight. Especially when Wang will be losing $425m-$450m, on his local cable deal
So the deal now pays approximately $20 million a year. Its not as if a deal in QC would pay zero and they can make up more than the difference with a sold out 18K seat arena.
So the deal now pays approximately $20 million a year. Its not as if a deal in QC would pay zero and they can make up more than the difference with a sold out 18K seat arena.
In 2011 it paid $20m.
It pays slightly more each season.
It ends in 2030-2031, when it will pay $36m for that final season.
In all, there's roughly $425m-$450m left on the local cable deal.
And we are talking about 70 yr old Wang selling the team. Not packing up his family and moving with the team to QC.
What would Wang care about QC's new owners selling out a 18,000 seat arena?
He'd care that he sold the team for say $200m.
Which is $30m more then the Thrashers sold for, $70m more then the Blues sold for and $30m more then the league is asking for, in the Coyotes sale.
Meanwhile, he's kissed good-bye the the remaining $425m-$450m from the MSG cable deal..
So the deal now pays approximately $20 million a year. Its not as if a deal in QC would pay zero and they can make up more than the difference with a sold out 18K seat arena.
Thats serious coin aquib, however, as we know, Peladeau's projections with the QC franchise in place, the cornerstone to providing content to Quebecors' cable network in addition to the rest of their media outlets including new media just in Canada alone, conservatively, could be worth double or treble the $20M the Islanders receive.
The NHL is well aware of it, and rather than seeing a storied franchise like the Islanders leave the market, theyd like to hang on to the revenue stream while simultaneously awarding PKP an Expansion Franchise for 2015 & reaping those rewards as well. There are indeed numerous wealthy individuals in New York & the Northeast who would give their eye-teeth to own that franchise and have it stay put, be it LI or Brooklyn.
But ya, Quebec & Quebecor is far too attractive & welcome an addition to leave on the shelf. No question about it, and in charging them an Expansion Fee, the funds arrive unencumbered while "righting a wrong" oui?...
1. Wang has repeatedly said in interviews, he wants the team to remain in Nassau.
2.Wang has rejected a sales offer from a local businessman (Peltz).
3.Each time the Canadian press has jumped the gun and gleefully announced the team is for sale, Wang plays grinch and publicly announces they are not for sale.
Yeah, I'd say the self made millionaire is dumb enough, to want to keep his team in Nassau County.
Your info is old.
Most recent interviews have Wang saying he wants the team to remain in the NY metro area not just Nassau. This from the frustration of getting jerked around in Nassau.
Peltz inquiry was before nassau jerked Wang around for the last time via referendum.
Like Wang has never said something and done the opposite? What does "building a winner" mean to you? Has done just the opposite.
Someone's bank account size is no indication of their intelligence.
Try again.
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Most recent interviews have Wang saying he wants the team to remain in the NY metro area not just Nassau. This from the frustration of getting jerked around in Nassau.
2 days after the Aug. 1, 2011 bond vote was rejected. http://blogs.wsj.com/metropolis/2011...-to-move-team/
Despite losing a vote to build a publicly-funded arena, the owner of the New York Islanders said he would work to keep the hockey team on Long Island.
“The New York Islanders were born on Long Island in 1972,” owner Charles Wang said in a statement Wednesday. “We have only two goals for the team — winning the Stanley Cup and keeping the Islanders on Long Island.”
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Peltz inquiry was before nassau jerked Wang around for the last time via referendum.
And yet, despite fan and media speculation that Wang would love to sell the team, he won't even put the team up for sale, even after the Aug. 1st bond vote.
12 yrs after buying the team on a promise of a new arena, he's still waiting for the County pols to come up with that new arena. Each time a rumor is spread through the press that the team is for sale, he shoots the rumor down.
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Like Wang has never said something and done the opposite? What does "building a winner" mean to you? Has done just the opposite.
Wang's inability to build a winner, does not mean he has not tried to.
im sorry buddy, but youre going to have to provide a link too some site that says peltz made a serious offer.
and in all honesty, i think that that senile old ******* would be a WORSE owner than wang is.
When has Wang EVER discussed ownership or potential sales publicly?
LeBruan on HNIC made the NYI/Peltz report in late 2010.
In 2011, the press ran an article on Peltz losing out on the Senators several yrs ago, getting the brush off from Wang after saying he wanted to buy the isles and his interest in the Devils. Just days ago, the NJ's owner reached a deal with his lenders, getting a secured loan for the team. That's another team Peltz can cross off his wishlist.
Isles fans should recall when Kumar and Wang bought the team, exactly how Wang refused to answer press questions over who owned what share of the team. Several yrs later, after buying Kumar's share, he again refused to discuss ownership.
2 days after the Aug. 1, 2011 bond vote was rejected. http://blogs.wsj.com/metropolis/2011...-to-move-team/
Despite losing a vote to build a publicly-funded arena, the owner of the New York Islanders said he would work to keep the hockey team on Long Island.
“The New York Islanders were born on Long Island in 1972,” owner Charles Wang said in a statement Wednesday. “We have only two goals for the team — winning the Stanley Cup and keeping the Islanders on Long Island.”
And yet, despite fan and media speculation that Wang would love to sell the team, he won't even put the team up for sale, even after the Aug. 1st bond vote.
12 yrs after buying the team on a promise of a new arena, he's still waiting for the County pols to come up with that new arena. Each time a rumor is spread through the press that the team is for sale, he shoots the rumor down.
Wang's inability to build a winner, does not mean he has not tried to.
Again, that's old info. In April of this year Wang told Howie Rose his goal was to keep NYI in the NY metro area. This after the referendum and after years of saying the goal was to stay on LI. The difference was obvious. It was also said after Ratner spoke with Rose.
Nobody would buy NYI without an arena on LI to lose money for 3 more years. Maybe Peltz wanted to move them to Brooklyn.
It couldn't be any worse for NYI and I'd hate to see what it's like if Wang wasn't trying to win.
Again, that's old info. In April of this year Wang told Howie Rose his goal was to keep NYI in the NY metro area. This after the referendum and after years of saying the goal was to stay on LI. The difference was obvious. It was also said after Ratner spoke with Rose.
Nobody would buy NYI without an arena on LI to lose money for 3 more years. Maybe Peltz wanted to move them to Brooklyn.
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LeBrun reported Peltz's interest in Dec. 2010.
That was well before the Isles moving to Brooklyn rumors.I think the Barclay's execs were down playing hockey in their new arena at that point. So, it's very unlikely that Peltz was was eyeing the isles and a move to Brooklyn.
It would be a shame if The Rangers lose one of their biggest rivals in a few years and even more sad to the fans of the Islanders. Since I started watching in 94 obviously the Isles haven't been good minus a year or 2, I always felt that if they had a winning team they would draw A LOT of fans. I love the fact that the whole atlantic division's teams are all either a train,bus,car ride etc away from attending. Here is one Ranger fan who hopes their situation gets worked out. It would be a shame to lose them IMO.
On the bright side I think the Isles could be contending for the 8th seed this year, its only a matter of time with the talent over there. They'll def finish above the Devils IMO.
How does the capacity dwindle that much for hockey? The arenas that have both NHL and NBA tenants don't have a drstic change in capacity. They don't lose over 3K seats from basketball to hockey.
Its only about 20 miles away. You could make that drive in less than half an hour during off peak hours and about 40 minutes tops going east at around 6.
