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09-09-2012, 10:02 PM
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Murray doesn't like Russians, plai and simple, especially ones playing over in Russia in their draft year.

Turris is likely going to put up better numbers then Tarasenko this year. Turris is playing 2nd line, and Tarasenko is pretty buried by a lot of talent on the 3rd line in St Louis...

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09-09-2012, 10:06 PM
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Fun Fact - Here is the complete list of Russians drafted by Bryan Murray, since he left Detroit as GM in 1994:

Florida Panthers (GM from 1994-2000)
- Oleg Kvasha (1996, 3rd round)
- Denis Khlopotnov (1996, 8th round, 8th round no longer exists)
- Ivan Novoseltsev (1997, 4th round)

Anaheim Mighty Ducks (GM from 2002-2004)
- none

Ottawa Senators (GM from 2007-present)
- Ruslan Bashkirov (2007, 2nd round, using info from the scouts that Muckler left behind, not "Murray's Boys")


16 years of drafting, and only 3 Russian players taken in rounds that still exist to day.


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Murray doesn't like Russians, plai and simple, especially ones playing over in Russia in their draft year.

Turris is likely going to put up better numbers then Tarasenko this year. Turris is playing 2nd line, and Tarasenko is pretty buried by a lot of talent on the 3rd line in St Louis...
Trris is much older.

i can see Tarasenko putting up 40-50 points on their 2nd line... He only has to beat out Stewart for 2nd RW.

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09-09-2012, 10:08 PM
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Fun Fact - Here is the complete list of Russians drafted by Bryan Murray, since he left Detroit as GM in 1994:

Florida Panthers (GM from 1994-2000)
- Oleg Kvasha (1996, 3rd round)
- Denis Khlopotnov (1996, 8th round, 8th round no longer exists)
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lets be specific here. Murray doesn't like "drafting" Russians.
He did sign Kovalev and Gonchar.

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09-10-2012, 12:59 AM
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Even if Murray ranked Tarasenko highly, he made it clear that unless the Russians in questions were elite level talent (think Ovechkin, Yakupov), he would not draft them because they are a flight risk, and the Murray management takes no chance.

Tarasenko happened to be picked by Blues and the only relevancy it has is that it was with our #1 pick. 15 teams passed Tarasenko, yet it is somehow only Ottawa that has seemed to make a mistake. It wasn't a mistake since Murray doesn't draft Russians, and our haul of Turris is much better than many teams who passed up Tarasenko and the team around that pick, because Rundblad became a very good prospect.
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lets be specific here. Murray doesn't like "drafting" Russians.
He did sign Kovalev and Gonchar.
Also traded for Pavel Bure with the Panthers and even took a chance on Filatov here...

No Murray just don't want to gamble a first round pick on a russian (they really are flight risks) and I'm totally fine with that. There's enough talent around to pick other than a Russian... It seems they know what they're doing so... /thread

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09-10-2012, 01:59 PM
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lets be specific here. Murray doesn't like "drafting" Russians.
He did sign Kovalev and Gonchar.
I am of the opinion that both of those signings were due to heavy influence from Melnyk (Kovalev especially, as a name to replace Heatley).

Can't recall, but didn't Murray also get burned on acquiring Federov?

Bashkirov drafting also was influenced likely cause at the time he was playing in the Q I believe.

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News on Tarasenko, if you'd call it that

Sleeper projections: Tarasenko tops Jensen's list

This 20-year-old Russian phenom was drafted in the first round of the 2010 Entry Draft but the 2012-13 season will be his first in North America after playing the last four seasons in the Kontinental Hockey League. He has point-production savvy beyond his years (47 points in 54 KHL games last season), making him an immediate threat to score 20-plus goals as a rookie. What's more, the opportunity to develop in coach Ken Hitchcock's system makes his situation even more promising. He's a projected third-liner heading into his first NHL season, but will be further utilized if injuries affect the Blues' talented group of forwards again.

Projection: 24 G, 23 A, plus-10, 25 PIM, 12 PPP, 175 SOG

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50 point projection while playing third line minutes with some top-6 fill ins as a rookie in a Hitchcock system?

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I am of the opinion that both of those signings were due to heavy influence from Melnyk (Kovalev especially, as a name to replace Heatley).

Can't recall, but didn't Murray also get burned on acquiring Federov?

Bashkirov drafting also was influenced likely cause at the time he was playing in the Q I believe.
There were also rumors Murray really wanted Alex Burmistrov in the 2010 draft, likely because he was playing in N.A.

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50 point projection while playing third line minutes with some top-6 fill ins as a rookie in a Hitchcock system?
Didn't you hear? Tarasenko put up a PPG while playing on the 4th lines of his KHL teams with next to no powerplay time!

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