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09-10-2012, 03:14 PM
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Toronto - New York Rangers

To

Cody Franson

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Stu Bickel
2013 4th Rounder

Why New York does it: They need a bottom pairing d-man that has a RH shot to work on the 2nd PP unit.

Why Toronto does it: Burke characterizes on a team built with "pugnacity testosterone truculence and belligerence". A d-man that can personify those talents are Stu Bickel. Bickel is a tough guy and fights pretty well, still needs to work on his stick handling. I feel with the excess in PMD for the Leafs: (Gunnarsson, Gardiner, Franson, Liles), they could use some more toughness to their defense. Also helps that Stu is American.

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09-10-2012, 03:17 PM
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This looks really similar to the Alberts-Franson proposal a short while back.

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09-10-2012, 03:18 PM
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I think the leafs would want a little more then that. I don't think Stu is a regular NHL player. Hasn't had a full season yet.

Close though. I think Burke would be looking to replace Komi in his role if he moves him too. But I don't think he will.

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09-10-2012, 03:19 PM
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This looks really similar to the Alberts-Franson proposal a short while back.
I disagree.

Andrew Alberts is a journeyman defenseman.

Bickel was a rookie last year. They are 1 yr apart in age.

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Yet, he isn't going to acquire a #7 for pugnacity.. while giving up a bottom pair PP specialist.

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Burke turned down an offer at the deadline for a 2nd round pick and roster player for Franson.

Don't think a goon and a garbage draft pick are high on his priority list.

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I'll take Steve Eminger and keep the pick!

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Yet, he isn't going to acquire a #7 for pugnacity.. while giving up a bottom pair PP specialist.
I think Bickel can fill in Franson's ES minutes, while Gardiner is capable to take the heavy load on the PP with over 3 PP minutes per game IMO.

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09-10-2012, 03:28 PM
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I think Bickel can fill in Franson's ES minutes, while Gardiner is capable to take the heavy load on the PP with over 3 PP minutes per game IMO.
What happens when Gardiner suffers from the sophomore slump this season?

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Burke turned down an offer at the deadline for a 2nd round pick and roster player for Franson.

Don't think a goon and a garbage draft pick are high on his priority list.
Really? I have hard time believing that since Franson has struggled for the majority of his NHL career.

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What happens when Gardiner suffers from the sophomore slump this season?
Gunnarsson/Connolly on the point.

Even if Gardiner suffers through sophomore slump, I don't think PP time would harm him.

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Really? I have hard time believing that since Franson has struggled for the majority of his NHL career.
30 points and a plus 10 rating is struggling?

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Keep the pick. Toronto doesn't make this deal anyway.

Sign Rosival to a 1 year deal. He's been there. He can play top 4 minutes if/when someone gets hurt. He plays the right side.

McDonough - Girardi
Staal - Del Zotto
Stralman - Rozy

Eminger 7A
Bickel 7B/Emergency forward

High end skill and depth

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30 points and a plus 10 rating is struggling?
This doesn't say much.

He was always in a very sheltered role in his career. He was protected by Barry Trots while his top 2 pairings got the tough minutes. Franson was a paper tiger.

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This doesn't say much.

He was always in a very sheltered role in his career. He was protected by Barry Trots while his top 2 pairings got the tough minutes. Franson was a paper tiger.
Of course it does. He's able to produce at a constant rate in a limited role, and being fairly young he still has decent upside to improve on that.

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09-10-2012, 03:49 PM
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Franson is still young and improving. Leafs will stick with his potential over Stu.

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This doesn't say much.

He was always in a very sheltered role in his career. He was protected by Barry Trots while his top 2 pairings got the tough minutes. Franson was a paper tiger.
Paper tiger? He's not soft if that's what you are implying. Has good size and moves the puck well.

There's no incentive for the Leafs to downgrade Franson for a 4th round pick.

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no way would burke do that. franson has incredible potential and is still quite young. why rush to move him? especially for a scrub.

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In order for me to trade Franson i expect a late 1st-early 2nd or an equivalent prospect.

Players with Cody's overall package and potential do not grow on trees.

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This doesn't say much.

He was always in a very sheltered role in his career. He was protected by Barry Trots while his top 2 pairings got the tough minutes. Franson was a paper tiger.
You really speak glowingly about a player you want your team to acquire.

Two things jump out at me after reading your statements. One, you haven't watched Franson enough to actually know what kind of player he is and how good he can be. Two, you have no idea what our general manager would want in return for a player like Franson. You just spouted off some irrelevant statement he made four years ago.

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Side note: Rangers just resigned Bickel to a 2 year deal. Teams don't typically do that and then trade the player 2 months later, and before they have even laced up their skates. It's bad form.

Also, which has been stated multiple times, Toronto has zero incentive to make this deal.

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Why New York does it: They need a bottom pairing d-man that has a RH shot to work on the 2nd PP unit.
We do it because we need another Anton Stralman?

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09-10-2012, 04:18 PM
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Counter: Franson for Hagelin

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09-10-2012, 04:49 PM
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Rangers really don't need this. We already have Stralman in this role...

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I think Bickel can fill in Franson's ES minutes, while Gardiner is capable to take the heavy load on the PP with over 3 PP minutes per game IMO.
That's not what the Leafs need though -- what they need is a guy to replace the additional Luke Schenn minutes that a defenceman of his type would've gotten under Randy Carlyle. That means a tough, stay-at-home, top 4 guy to play opposite one of Liles/Gardiner.

Yes, Bickel is tough and a stay-at-home defenceman, but he just isn't anywhere near good enough. Toronto's got a #7 in Korbinian Holzer, a couple of other projects who should see some NHL time as well in Jesse Blacker and possibly Morgan Rielly. Burke's been on record as saying he doesn't want an enforcer taking up one of his 6 defensive spots, so a guy like Bickel really just doesn't have value to Toronto.

Don't get me wrong, it's not an unreasonable proposal. It just does nothing to address Toronto's needs. If this is the best defenceman they can get using Franson as a bargaining chip, then it's a no brainer to keep him and hope he hones his defensive game under Randy Carlyle. A defenceman with his size and offensive upside has incredible potential if he can learn how to use it in the defensive zone.

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