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09-04-2012, 11:40 PM
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the problem in this situation is that a) Calderon's likely to be quite unhappy about unceremoniously losing the starting gig, and b) he's a FA at season's end, so if we run the whole year with him and don't make a trade, he walks for nothing after this season.
I don't think teams are offering very much for Calderon because they know the Raptors are somewhat desperate to get rid of him, especially if he's unhappy. The Raptors can hopefully wait a little while and bump up his value before moving him closer to the trade deadline for maybe a pick or two..

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I don't think it really matters if the Raptors lose Calderon for nothing or not. He is not Bosh. If you can convince him that the team can be much stronger with him and Lowry running the point and be a playoff team then he should stick around. If the team is in a playoff position at the deadline, they should just keep him and lose him for nothing (no big deal to me). If they are out of it, then he should be traded. Hell, if they are out of it then I bet it is not BC who will be the one who makes that trade. In my mind, BC is canned if the team is way out of it by February.


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In my mind, BC is gassed if the team is way out of it by February.
I wonder if we could put a moritorium on this expression. I know it's been showing up more often lately around sports, especially in relation to managers/coaches, but it really is unnecessarily and unequivocally offensive.

Some yahoo used it on Jays talk referring to Farrell's status this winter, and Wilner had to work hard not to completely lose his nut on the guy. Wilner realized the guy probably had no idea why it was so offensive (not only to a Jewish guy like Mike, but certainly especially so). He correctly pointed out that just because we hear other people in sports media using an offensive phrase, that doesn't give us the green light to be offensive too.

We should know better. We should be better.

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I wonder if we could put a moritorium on this expression. I know it's been showing up more often lately around sports, especially in relation to managers/coaches, but it really is unnecessarily and unequivocally offensive.

Some yahoo used it on Jays talk referring to Farrell's status this winter, and Wilner had to work hard not to completely lose his nut on the guy. Wilner realized the guy probably had no idea why it was so offensive (not only to a Jewish guy like Mike, but certainly especially so). He correctly pointed out that just because we hear other people in sports media using an offensive phrase, that doesn't give us the green light to be offensive too.

We should know better. We should be better.

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Ok, cool. Did not mean to be offensive at all. I will change the wording. Sorry.

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Ok, cool. Did not mean to be offensive at all. I will change the wording. Sorry.
Appreciate it. Not directed at you specifically, but all of us collectively - just a phrase I'm sure we can do without.

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Even if the Raptors miss the playoffs as long as some kind of improvement is shown BC will still be the GM. If the team regresses even further then he's gone. I don't see how that's possible tho we have some good pieces here this year and it should show as the seasons goes on.

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If you're dying for some Raptors news, Jamaal Magloire is getting a non-guaranteed camp invite. Team has an open roster spot


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There's a log-jam up front with Bargnani, Johnson, Valanciunas, Davis, Gray, Acy but Magloire would be there for off-court impact

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For those interested, Raps have a new TV director this season. He’s one of the best in the biz, and doesn’t rely on baseline cams in action.

About ****ing time. God, the production has been ****ing awful recently. Missed plays due to bench shots, weird camera angles, and having baseline cams shoved down our throats constantly are hopefully a thing of the past now.


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Raps are reportedly close to signing Dominic McGuire to a contract. McGuire is a defensive specialist SF who rebounds and blocks shots well, but doesn't have much in the way of an offensive game.

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you make a convincing argument.
i don't really know what team we could beat that made the playoffs last year we straight up can't

lakers would eat us alive
okc would destroy us
clippers will just dunk all over us
grizzlies defense and grit ain't no match for us
mavs lol okay maybe the mavs but dirk could bully barg any day
nuggets will probably beat us
blazers aldridge batum and lillard will be deadly

whos on kobe? derozan
whos on dwight? jonas
whos on gasol? barg
whos on durant? landry fields??

miami, boston, brooklyn,76ers, chicago, indiana, atlanta are all capable of beating us

the only team we can win against is orlando and i'm not talking about close victories for them i'm talking blow outs

we're still a young rebuilding team we're not making the playoffs this year end of discussion teams have just gotten better, stronger don't get me wrong we have a bright future but we don't stand a chance vs the top tier teams in the league

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Raps are reportedly close to signing Dominic McGuire to a contract. McGuire is a defensive specialist SF who rebounds and blocks shots well, but doesn't have much in the way of an offensive game.
don't get excited about mcguire there's a reason why he never got any pt at gsw.

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i don't really know what team we could beat that made the playoffs last year we straight up can't

lakers would eat us alive
okc would destroy us
clippers will just dunk all over us
grizzlies defense and grit ain't no match for us
mavs lol okay maybe the mavs but dirk could bully barg any day
nuggets will probably beat us
blazers aldridge batum and lillard will be deadly

whos on kobe? derozan
whos on dwight? jonas
whos on gasol? barg
whos on durant? landry fields??

miami, boston, brooklyn,76ers, chicago, indiana, atlanta are all capable of beating us

the only team we can win against is orlando and i'm not talking about close victories for them i'm talking blow outs

we're still a young rebuilding team we're not making the playoffs this year end of discussion teams have just gotten better, stronger don't get me wrong we have a bright future but we don't stand a chance vs the top tier teams in the league
Who in the league can shut Kobe down?
Who in the league can shut Dwight down?
Gasol is a 3rd option in LA.
Who in the league can shut down Durant?

No matter what way anyone looks at it the raptors have made some strides in the right direction this off season. got an exciting point who can shoot, pass and defend. Got a 2nd year F/G in Fields who I think will change some peoples opinions of him for the better. and we have our two first picks coming in to the picture. I defiantly think if we stay healthy were a playoff team, maybe nothing more then a fringe 1st round exit but it is a step in the right direction.

I have faith in the defensive systems coach brings to the team and though we may not have a lot of great 1v1 defenders the overall team defense is much much better and I expect it to improve even more over last year with the additions brought in this year.

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I need 3 people who are interested in fantasy basketball, i am starting an ESPN league, have 8/10 spots filled. I really want people who will check regularly and try, is anyone interested?

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i don't really know what team we could beat that made the playoffs last year we straight up can't

lakers would eat us alive
okc would destroy us
clippers will just dunk all over us
grizzlies defense and grit ain't no match for us
mavs lol okay maybe the mavs but dirk could bully barg any day
nuggets will probably beat us
blazers aldridge batum and lillard will be deadly

whos on kobe? derozan
whos on dwight? jonas
whos on gasol? barg
whos on durant? landry fields??

miami, boston, brooklyn,76ers, chicago, indiana, atlanta are all capable of beating us

the only team we can win against is orlando and i'm not talking about close victories for them i'm talking blow outs

we're still a young rebuilding team we're not making the playoffs this year end of discussion teams have just gotten better, stronger don't get me wrong we have a bright future but we don't stand a chance vs the top tier teams in the league
Those teams in the west aren't relevant to the discussion of the playoffs for the Raptors. Besides, those are some of the best players in the league. If you apply that same set of questions to any other NBA squad, chances are it'll look just as bad.

and you also only named 7 teams in the East that are "capable of beating us". That's still enough for us to qualify for the 8th spot, which is still making the playoffs (and is realistically what most people are talking about when they talk about the team potentially challenging for a spot. Plus this is a good defensive squad, and as a unit they can potentially hold down some good scoring teams to have a shot to win on occasion. They did it a few times last year with worse personnel than the 12-13 Raptors will have. If they can repeat that performance, they'll be able to turn some of those close losses into wins.

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don't get excited about mcguire there's a reason why he never got any pt at gsw.
Not getting excited. He's likely going to sit on the bench and only get minutes late when the team is winning and they need to shut down the opposition with no concern for the fact that McGuire has zero offence. Or he'll be a healthy scratch behind Fields/Kleiza and whatever SF minutes they give DeRozan/Ross/Anderson. All I was doing was noting that he was just about signed and what he potentially brings to the table.

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If there's an NHL lockout I'll likely start following the Raptors this year. It seems like a good time to start watching them, because they actually have a good group of young talent now: JV, Derozan, Bargnani, Lowry, Ross, Davis, Johnson.

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http://www.tsn.ca/blogs/james_cybulski/?id=405084

blog/article about the Iguodola rumours from this summer. Price was too steep for BC because he wasnt sure Iggy would resign with the team after this year i guess.

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I was surprised to see Iguodala only average around 12 points this past year.

I know he does a lot of other things well- rebounds, passes, defends well- and Philly is a better team with more options now but 12 points still surprised me.

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I was surprised to see Iguodala only average around 12 points this past year.

I know he does a lot of other things well- rebounds, passes, defends well- and Philly is a better team with more options now but 12 points still surprised me.
Elite defending, elite athleticism, but isn't a go to scorer.

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blog/article about the Iguodola rumours from this summer. Price was too steep for BC because he wasnt sure Iggy would resign with the team after this year i guess.
That's a reasonable decision by BC. Yes, it would say something to go for it, but the Raptors tend to have trouble hanging on to prominent FAs, so blowing a bunch of assets (allegedly Calderon, DeRozan, Davis, 1st) for a guy who would only stick around one season would be incredibly risky.

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That's a reasonable decision by BC. Yes, it would say something to go for it, but the Raptors tend to have trouble hanging on to prominent FAs, so blowing a bunch of assets (allegedly Calderon, DeRozan, Davis, 1st) for a guy who would only stick around one season would be incredibly risky.
Very true, but man, I would love Iggy.

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http://www.hoopsworld.com/2012-2013-...eason-preview/

interesting look at the Raps courtesy of Hoopsworld's season previews.

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also from a chat with their Raptors writer, I found this interesting bit, which might help people picture what Jonas can bring to the table:
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Q: Who is jonas v most comparable to in the nba?

When Jonas Valanciunas introduced himself to the media a year ago, he described himself as a young Chris Bosh. I believe he meant the rookie Bosh, not the vet we see today.

Maurizio Gherandini, who has seen JV play more than anyone in North America, described JV as Tyson Chandler with “good feet” and if you watched him play for his National team, that’s a fair description – especially if you were to picture a fleet-footed young Bosh with Chandler’s desire to play in the paint.


Other description’s could include a grown up version of JaVale McGee – long, athletic, runs the floor, blocks shots, rebounds but JV takes instruction, knows his place, does as he’s told.
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The Raptors will have all of my attention for as long as the NHL remains locked out. In 2004-2005, the Raptors pretty much replaced the Leafs for me. Less than a month till preseason starts.

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It's been a bit since I've updated, but ESPN continues to roll out their NBA player rankings online. They've just stopped short of entering the top 50 today, but it does finish off the Raptors roster (which I know is going to make people snark "lol, Raptors suck, no one in the top 50") but it's not that bad. Here is the complete roster and where it ranked:

469: Alan Anderson
449: Quincy Acy
376: Dominic McGuire
308: Terrence Ross
287: Aaron Gray
278: John Lucas III
234: Jonas Valanciunas
233: Ed Davis
217: Linas Kleiza
207: Amir Johnson
164: Landry Fields
112: DeMar DeRozan
96: Jose Calderon
58: Andrea Bargnani
51: Kyle Lowry

Consider that if the rankings were roughly evenly distributed positionally, the top 150 represents starter quality players in the league (5x30). Between 150 and 200 is a top-of-the-bench option, 200-300 would about fill out a second unit, and anything over 360 represents enough quality to get a regular spot on the bench (and not as a healthy scratch)

So in that regard, the Raptors would seem to stack out reasonably well. 3 players in the top 100. The lowest starting lineup member outside of Jonas or Grey at C is Fields at 164 (which i still good 6th man territory) and most of our probable 2nd unit pieces (Jonas/Grey, Amir, Davis, Kleiza, Ross) are in the higher end of that 2nd unit rank. Ross & Acy obviously get a bit of the shaft by being rookies who aren't Anthony Davis.

We'll see some better #s when this thing finishes up. ESPN usually does team-by-team breakdowns of the rankings and such at that point.

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Really speaks to Magloire that Quincy Acy who has never played in the league is ranked and you are not.

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