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09-09-2012, 11:15 PM
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I just remember an old friend talking about permafrost in Quebec not beeing able to build an arena, while I was looking at this video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v...RjBtM#%21&hd=1

Enjoy!!!
Permafrost (areas where the ground remains frozen for a minimum of 2 years) is found in northern Quebec. See http://atlas.nrcan.gc.ca/auth/englis...and/permafrost Quebec City is not in the permafrost area. But the ground does get frozen during the winter, so digging becomes harder and more expensive during the winter.

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09-10-2012, 12:04 AM
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I didn't know QC had vineyards. Many people think Prince Edward county in Ontario is too cold to have good vineyards.
There are many great vineyards on the mostly agricultural Île d’Orléans on the St-Lawrence in front of Québec City. (along with pretty much all kinds of fruits and vegetables).

If you ever go the Québec City in the summer, going there and stocking up on great (and fresh) wines, vegetables and fruits for very low prices is a must. (shameless ad)

So yeah, we're not, THAT far north. And frost is only a problem during the winter, it's not nearly permanent!

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09-10-2012, 05:13 AM
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I was in Quebec City a couple of years ago and visited Île d’Orléans. Very nice. Nice w ines and the island is very picturesque.

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09-10-2012, 05:17 AM
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I've also been to a Nordiques game in Le Colisee back in 1993. Two winters ago, I was back to see a Remparts game. The Colisee was packed and I was really amazed how much it reminded me of the old Aud in Buffalo - with all the seats so close to the ice. Seems to me like Le Colisee could certainly house an NHL team while the new arena is being built.

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09-10-2012, 06:14 AM
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Work in progress in La Vieille Capitale:

http://www.ville.quebec.qc.ca/webcam...hitheatre.aspx


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09-10-2012, 07:05 AM
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Work in progress in La Vieille Capitale:

http://www.ville.quebec.qc.ca/webcam...hitheatre.aspx

What's this liquid stuff coming out of my eyes?

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I've also been to a Nordiques game in Le Colisee back in 1993. Two winters ago, I was back to see a Remparts game. The Colisee was packed and I was really amazed how much it reminded me of the old Aud in Buffalo - with all the seats so close to the ice. Seems to me like Le Colisee could certainly house an NHL team while the new arena is being built.
... absolutely it could, no problem whatsoever. In fact, the buildings got a lot of character & charm, a very strong sense of "presence". Particularly so when its empty, which with the Colisee' on numerous occasions since the late 70's Ive had reason to attend & experienced it, soaked up its "vibe" when completely empty of fans, an audience. Reminds me very much of some of the grand old Dames' like Chicago's Stadium, Boston Garden & ya, the Aud in Buffalo for sure. You'd get a really serious rush when the canvas was blank, imagining great games & players from the past, concerts & events that have taken place there. The energy & emotions expended captured & trapped in the beams, walls' & ledges, bricks & mortar. Its a special place, but alas its time has passed. Not really old enough to be categorized "Heritage", being replaced as it needed to be, but kind of sad to see her go none the less.

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09-10-2012, 11:23 AM
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Work in progress in La Vieille Capitale:

http://www.ville.quebec.qc.ca/webcam...hitheatre.aspx

Damn is it not a pretty sight! I think I shall take a screen cap every day until the building is done.

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Work in progress in La Vieille Capitale:

http://www.ville.quebec.qc.ca/webcam...hitheatre.aspx

It feels great to see the trucks moving in and out. I hope they will move the cam during the construction to give other views because where it is now there will be a lot of ''unseen'' work done around.

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09-10-2012, 11:55 AM
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There are many great vineyards on the mostly agricultural Île d’Orléans on the St-Lawrence in front of Québec City. (along with pretty much all kinds of fruits and vegetables).

If you ever go the Québec City in the summer, going there and stocking up on great (and fresh) wines, vegetables and fruits for very low prices is a must. (shameless ad)

So yeah, we're not, THAT far north. And frost is only a problem during the winter, it's not nearly permanent!
Believe it or not, there is a very small amount of vineyards in Manitoba and North Dakota (like three or four or something like that), and Manitoba does have a couple apple orchards in the Pembina Valley, around Morden.

Basically, wine and certain fruit can be produced almost anywhere in extreme southern Canada.

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ice wine?

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It feels great to see the trucks moving in and out. I hope they will move the cam during the construction to give other views because where it is now there will be a lot of ''unseen'' work done around.
By the way, they just put another cam on the south side (looking north) of where the building will be erected, but actually we can't see very much the old horse race building is still there, I wonder when they will put it down?

http://www.ville.quebec.qc.ca/webcameras

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ice wine?
Sure!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_wine

But need to be in a place like Canada to produce some

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concentrated liquid sugar & alcohol served chilled (made from frozen grapes on the vine)

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Three excavators have started digging and the first shovelful was dug by a former Nordiques player who was on the roster in 1976 and is now an excavator operator it seems.

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http://www.journaldequebec.com/2012/...avaux-debutent

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09-11-2012, 07:30 AM
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While driving home from job I was listening to an interview on CHOI 98.1 with Jean Rochette (French audio) who is one of the top heads of the construction.

He basicly told a lot of what to expect for the next 12 months and I find it was a nice move since people from outside with webcams will be saying it's going slow.

What he said in global is that first stage is they need to move between 9000 (53' trailers) and 18000 (dump trucks) of ground from the site. That should be done in the next month. In october they will demolish the ''hippodrome'' (currently blocking the view on 2nd cam). Upon demolition they will start solidifying the ground all the way till March 2013 by installing supplementary pilons deep in the ground. First frame should pop up around September 2013.

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sure does take a long time to build and arena...

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09-11-2012, 02:26 PM
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sure does take a long time to build and arena...
In Winnipeg the MTS Centre broke ground on April 16, 2003 and was opened Nov 16, 2004.

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In Winnipeg the MTS Centre broke ground on April 16, 2003 and was opened Nov 16, 2004.
Maybe that why they are doing overtime already it almost 7PM and they are still digging! I swear that stream is addictive I been checking it almost every hour!

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Maybe that why they are doing overtime already it almost 7PM and they are still digging! I swear that stream is addictive I been checking it almost every hour!
They are supposed to work 14 hours/day, 6 days a week.

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In Winnipeg the MTS Centre broke ground on April 16, 2003 and was opened Nov 16, 2004.
The main reasons it's different here are:

That the ground isn't strong enough to hold the arena or standard foundations. Therefor there will need to be giant steel ''Deep foundations'' (pieux) hammered into the ground and then have concrete poured in those before any work can get done.

Also we'll need to destroy the Hypodrome, tie the new arena to the former ''ludoplexe'' building, build all the fancy Québecor studios inside.....

Also, it will be much, much bigger then the MTS Center (almost 19 000 seats) and therefore will need to be much, much bigger.

So yeah..... it's quite a project!

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The main reasons it's different here are:

That the ground isn't strong enough to hold the arena or standard foundations. Therefor there will need to be giant steel ''Deep foundations'' (pieux) hammered into the ground and then have concrete poured in those before any work can get done.

Also we'll need to destroy the Hypodrome, tie the new arena to the former ''ludoplexe'' building, build all the fancy Québecor studios inside.....

Also, it will be much, much bigger then the MTS Center (almost 19 000 seats) and therefore will need to be much, much bigger.

So yeah..... it's quite a project!
Stupid question since I know Montreal is 150 miles away but is that why Bell Centre took 3 years as well?

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Stupid question since I know Montreal is 150 miles away but is that why Bell Centre took 3 years as well?
I would not say exactly because of that. Bell Centre was build with a plethora of existing infrastructure right next to it (Windsor Train Station i.e.).

There is always this thing in Quebec with construction, just like about how our roads are worse than those just a few 100 miles south of the board and across the Rideau Canal while still costing about 2x more to build money and time wise.

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There is always this thing in Quebec with construction, just like about how our roads are worse than those just a few 100 miles south of the board and across the Rideau Canal while still costing about 2x more to build money and time wise.
I don't know if this applies anymore but labor can be costly and take extra time in Quebec because of the way each task and worker is compartmentalized.

http://www.iedm.org/node/2240
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Employers are required to hire only workers holding certificates of qualification in each trade to perform work.

Here is an example among many. Ceramic tiles have to be installed by a “tile setter” and not by a “resilient flooring layer” (who installs carpets).

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I don't know if this applies anymore but labor can be costly and take extra time in Quebec because of the way each task and worker is compartmentalized.

http://www.iedm.org/node/2240
Come on. Really.

You think that the people who planned this aren't aware of this fact?

Really?

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