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Caps extend Troy Brouwer (3 years, $3.666M cap hit)

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09-12-2012, 01:16 PM
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Wow that is horrid overpayment

Brouwer is a ghost offensively most of year and defensively is a wreck

But if Caps like him ,, Then ok
Pretty ignorant comment but whatever


Caps fans are alright with this deal and other fans aren't... I'd probably stick to the opinion of people who watch him every night....

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09-12-2012, 01:23 PM
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Pretty ignorant comment but whatever


Caps fans are alright with this deal and other fans aren't... I'd probably stick to the opinion of people who watch him every night....
Unless his game drastically changed over the past year, I'd say most Blackhawks fan comments are relevant. I don't agree with BWC, but 3.65M is a tad high for Brouwer.

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Wow that is horrid overpayment

Brouwer is a ghost offensively most of year and defensively is a wreck

But if Caps like him ,, Then ok
Breaking News: BWC bashing old Hawks' players.

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Breaking News: BWC bashing old Hawks' players.
I hated Brouwer well before he was an ex-Hawk

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09-12-2012, 02:14 PM
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Pretty ignorant comment but whatever


Caps fans are alright with this deal and other fans aren't... I'd probably stick to the opinion of people who watch him every night....
Ignorant, because you watched nearly every game of his NHL career before he put on a Caps uniform too?

He's a valuable player, but this is $1M/year too much.

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I hated Brouwer well before he was an ex-Hawk
I can verify the accuracy of this. (But BWC winds up hating many Hawks before they leave, so take it for what its worth.)

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Ignorant, because you watched nearly every game of his NHL career before he put on a Caps uniform too?

He's a valuable player, but this is $1M/year too much.
And what he did before wearing a Caps uniform matters because...

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And what he did before wearing a Caps uniform matters because...
As pointed out above in this thread, unless he's changed his game dramatically in one year (which, from what I saw of him last season, did not occur), the totality of his development as an NHL player is absolutely relevant to ascertaining the value of a present day contract. Are you suggesting otherwise?

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perfectly fine. its 2012 not 2006. blackhawks fans will be lucky to see the turd they chose with that pick even sniffing 18-20 goals and the physical side that TB brings 2 years from now. nevermind now.

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Lol 3.666M for Troy Browrer?

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That's a pretty bad contract for Washington.

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Seems like a lot of cash for a guy who disappears every spring. Whatever, good for him I guess.

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Top Ten Hits is good.

Team worst -15 is terrible.
Means absolutely nothing. Both of those stats.


With Brouwer on the ice, Washington goalies had a 0.898 save percentage. If Howard posted a 0.898sv% behind Lidstrom, Lidstrom would probably be a minus player.

In '10-'11, Brouwer was 11th of 13 Chicago forwards in on-ice sv%. The year before that he was 3rd best. These are things a forward can't control.

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Definitely isn't being paid for his playoff performances where he is like Houdini and the twin sisters.

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Seems like a lot of cash for a guy who disappears every spring. Whatever, good for him I guess.
Troy Brouwer, career
 Regular seasonPlayoffs
Shots per game1.5751.35
Shooting percentage13.29%7.79%
I don't know, seems like it's just variance moreso than actually "disappearing" but sure. Find me a player who can control his shooting percentage over sample sizes that small (players can't even repeat shooting percentages over an 82 game season, let alone 60 odd playoff games)...

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Ouch, a little high it seems thought hs number would be close to the 3 million range. But with the rise in cap ceiling comes a rise in salaries.

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I remember when people said Dubinsky's overpaid.

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yikes, what's Burrows going to get .. $5.5M?

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I hated Brouwer well before he was an ex-Hawk
How about Cristobal Huet? Did you like him?

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And what he did before wearing a Caps uniform matters because...
I see. When you're talking about Troy Brouwer, only the most recent season matters.

When you're talking about Jason Spezza or Nicklas Backstrom, it is important to look at seasons prior to the most recent as the most recent season doesn't matter as much as what you have done before.

Things that make you go hmm.

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Not a great deal, but hardly one that cripples a franchise. The Caps are a better team with Brouwer on them than they are without him. With some key roster spots going to players on ELCs or second contracts, they can afford to splurge a bit on strong role players like Brouwer.

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09-12-2012, 05:25 PM
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perfectly fine. its 2012 not 2006. blackhawks fans will be lucky to see the turd they chose with that pick even sniffing 18-20 goals and the physical side that TB brings 2 years from now. nevermind now.
Lawl. I'll guarantee right now that the turd the Hawks selected (Phillip Danault) will be a better all-round hockey play than Troy Brouwer within 3 years.. and that's coming from someone who supported Brouwer throughout his time in Chicago.

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That's a big number for him. He's 27 now, his hands and feet won't be any quicker. If somebody starts to seriously compete with him for ice time on the top lines, this contract could be a mess. I think that contract was too generous. For all his hitting, I've yet to see his physical game really make a difference for an extended stretch like we would expect to see out of a player in the top 6 having spent so much ice time with some of the better players in the league to this point in his career.

He's an easy player to like and I'm happy for him that he signed a bigger contract than he probably should have gotten.

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I see. When you're talking about Troy Brouwer, only the most recent season matters.

When you're talking about Jason Spezza or Nicklas Backstrom, it is important to look at seasons prior to the most recent as the most recent season doesn't matter as much as what you have done before.

Things that make you go hmm.
We're talking about a contract, completely different than the Spezza/Backstrom debates.

What he did ON ANOTHER TEAM has 0 effect on his contract negotiations with OUR TEAM. Not even close to being similar to the Spezza/Backtstrom debate.

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We're talking about a contract, completely different than the Spezza/Backstrom debates.

What he did ON ANOTHER TEAM has 0 effect on his contract negotiations with OUR TEAM. Not even close to being similar to the Spezza/Backtstrom debate.
Again, has Troy Brouwer dramatically changed his game since he left from a year ago? No, he hasn't. I get Cap fans saying his physicallity is something they lacked/needed and they're fine with what he got - that's great - that still doesn't make arguements of overpayment coming from Hawk fans irrelevant simply because he changed teams.

Troy Brouwer is still Troy Brouwer. He's a decent third wheel on a scoring line that will get you 200 hits and 17-20 goals, while doing alot of the grunt work in the corners and around the net for the skilled players. Unlike alot of Hawk fans, I did/do see the value in his physical game but the truth is that he doesn't have a dynamic physical game like a Dustin Brown or Cal Clutterbuck or like Washington's latest 1st round pick Tom Wilson that would command the kind of money he received.

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