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09-13-2012, 07:44 AM
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You guys are getting absolutely ridiculous.

If you can acquire a potential first pairing d man for a potential first line center, you make the trade. Especially considering you have an abundance of centers to begin with.

Couts is one of my fav players. But as soon as he has a soph slump, you guys will be willing to trade him for whatever we can. The hype is getting crazy.

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09-13-2012, 07:53 AM
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You guys are getting absolutely ridiculous.

If you can acquire a potential first pairing d man for a potential first line center, you make the trade. Especially considering you have an abundance of centers to begin with.

Couts is one of my fav players. But as soon as he has a soph slump, you guys will be willing to trade him for whatever we can. The hype is getting crazy.
Or Subban simply isn't reliable defensively and is not a first pairing d-man right now and may never be that guy, and is not worth giving up the only forward with any defensive awareness.

Maybe that's it. Or maybe everyone but you is stupid.

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09-13-2012, 07:59 AM
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Or Subban simply isn't reliable defensively and is not a first pairing d-man right now and may never be that guy, and is not worth giving up the only forward with any defensive awareness.

Maybe that's it. Or maybe everyone but you is stupid.
Didn't say anyone was stupid. Just spoke about the hype.

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09-13-2012, 09:40 AM
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You guys are getting absolutely ridiculous.

If you can acquire a potential first pairing d man for a potential first line center, you make the trade. Especially considering you have an abundance of centers to begin with.

Couts is one of my fav players. But as soon as he has a soph slump, you guys will be willing to trade him for whatever we can. The hype is getting crazy.
I don't believe the hype is exaggerated or unreasonable. Until I can see Subban single-handedly neuter an Art Ross trophy winner I'm not going to compare his potential to that of Couturier on the same level. Sure they bring different attributes to the table but to me Couturier has just too much upside and most importantly he has poise and maturity at such a young age while Subban is still trying to grow up...

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09-13-2012, 09:52 AM
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Subban and Cindy both (yes hes the other guy i want no part of) play ***** hockey..

which i want no part of on this team.

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am i the only person that doesn't think subban will be anything special, ever?

probably

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am i the only person that doesn't think subban will be anything special, ever?

probably
He just needs to mature..otherwise he is going to be good..already kind of is but I think Couturier is still going to be a much more special player.

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I don't believe the hype is exaggerated or unreasonable. Until I can see Subban single-handedly neuter an Art Ross trophy winner I'm not going to compare his potential to that of Couturier on the same level. Sure they bring different attributes to the table but to me Couturier has just too much upside and most importantly he has poise and maturity at such a young age while Subban is still trying to grow up...
Listen, I was just as excited to see that as well. He completely shut down malkin. But its a small sample size. Hell, Gustafason had a hell of a shift against malkin and hes a 6-7th D man at this point.

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General Managers talk about players more frequently than what is reported in publications. It is a primary aspect of the job and would be prove perfunctory for the absence of such discussions. Whether it has legs or not is debatable but if nothing else it gets attention and sizzle sells especially with two high profile organizations.

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Listen, I was just as excited to see that as well. He completely shut down malkin. But its a small sample size. Hell, Gustafason had a hell of a shift against malkin and hes a 6-7th D man at this point.
He also stopped top players all season long in key defensive situations. There's also a hell of a difference between one shift and an entire playoff series.

It's not like Couts shutting down Malkin came out of nowhere, it was the cherry on top of a fantastic defensive year. Trading him away for Subban makes this team worse defensively, and I doubt we can afford that. Sure, we'd get more offense from the blue line but that should currently be a secondary concern.

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09-13-2012, 11:31 AM
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He also stopped top players all season long in key defensive situations. There's also a hell of a difference between one shift and an entire playoff series.

It's not like Couts shutting down Malkin came out of nowhere, it was the cherry on top of a fantastic defensive year. Trading him away for Subban makes this team worse defensively, and I doubt we can afford that. Sure, we'd get more offense from the blue line but that should currently be a secondary concern.
Yeah, I just dont like how this team is built ATM.

3 years ago we had too many good centers and we made a couple big trades and we are back at square one.

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You guys are getting absolutely ridiculous.

If you can acquire a potential first pairing d man for a potential first line center, you make the trade. Especially considering you have an abundance of centers to begin with.

Couts is one of my fav players. But as soon as he has a soph slump, you guys will be willing to trade him for whatever we can. The hype is getting crazy.
if Couturier is overhyped what would you call Subban?
I said it before and I will say it again, I dont hate Subban. i think hes a good player who could help us. I wouldnt be opposed to to trading for him if the price is right.
The Flyers cannot afford to trade a top 6/9 forward for a defender. The Flyers need a guy like Couturier. Whos gonna play defense at forward if they trade him? Giroux? Briere? Schenn? Niether of those guys have the 2 way upside that Couturier has. That isnt hype that is the truth.

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Sam Carchidi has shot it down like 3 times on Twitter, being pretty adamant about it.

https://twitter.com/BroadStBull/stat...68046254161920

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Can I offer a Plan B substitute of cabernet sauvignon from the Screaming Eagle Winery? It finishes with a slightly mercurial affect and involves less cleanup than Plan A.
Depending on how much of it she drinks.

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Can I offer a Plan B substitute of cabernet sauvignon from the Screaming Eagle Winery? It finishes with a slightly mercurial affect and involves less cleanup than Plan A.
You can always hit yourself over the head with the empty bottle afterwards, too!

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Can I offer a Plan B substitute of cabernet sauvignon from the Screaming Eagle Winery? It finishes with a slightly mercurial affect and involves less cleanup than Plan A.
Now that's a lovely offer! And one where one could ask for seconds!

However, JL does have a point there.

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Or Subban simply isn't reliable defensively and is not a first pairing d-man right now and may never be that guy, and is not worth giving up the only forward with any defensive awareness.

Maybe that's it. Or maybe everyone but you is stupid.
Subban was on first PK for on 2nd best PK unit in the league.

I don't blame Flyers fans for wanting to hold onto couturier though. I'm just surprised people say what they do about Subban.

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Sam Carchidi has shot it down like 3 times on Twitter, being pretty adamant about it.

https://twitter.com/BroadStBull/stat...68046254161920
I'm not surprised either. They probably had a casual talk at best. If holmgren didn't ask around he wouldn't be doing his job. Knowing how aggressive he is with deals seeing him simply inquire(at best) about subban means there's nothing to talk about. I'd assume subban is one of MANY guys he had a casual talk about.

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09-14-2012, 07:59 AM
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I've had a canadiens fan tell me that a 1 for 1 trade, Couturier for Subban would work out...

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I've had a canadiens fan tell me that a 1 for 1 trade, Couturier for Subban would work out...
Depends who you ask. I'd say majority of habs fans would say no in a 1 for 1.

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Subban was on first PK for on 2nd best PK unit in the league.
And?

Are you trying to tell me you believe Subban is an elite, reliable defenseman?

Let me help - Giroux plays the PK and he's far from strong defensively.

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Read/Mez and a pick. My guess
Guess again..Subban is the Habs' top D with the most mins played and a high, offensive upside. If you want value, you have to give up value.

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Guess again..Subban is the Habs' top D with the most mins played and a high, offensive upside. If you want value, you have to give up value.
feel free to keep him

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feel free to keep him
You don't need to tell me, it's already done. On the other hand, your GM doesn't seem to think like you.

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I'd happily take Subban on this team, but not at the cost of Couturier. Filling a hole by creating a new one.

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