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09-13-2012, 09:10 PM
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Stephen Weiss

......at the trade deadline(if there is a season)


I know Florida doesn't have good at the C position but let's say they are out of the playoffs and Huberdeau shows promise and has a good rookie season. Seeing as Weiss would be a UFA what would his value be?

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09-13-2012, 09:13 PM
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1st plus solid prospect at the least

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1st plus solid prospect at the least
Scary that this is actually market value for a rental, judging by what some player's returned last TD.

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considering we just lost gudbranson to shoulder injury for 4 months and versteeg is still out for another 2 the prospects of us missing the playoffs is a highly realistic one.

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Scary that this is actually market value for a rental, judging by what some player's returned last TD.
Paul Gaustad has forever ruined TD rentals.

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If Berglund isn't producing like a 2nd line center by the deadline, I think we'd be pretty interested.

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Considering Weiss loves playing for Florida and wants to stick it out and be part of the revival, even if all the OPs conditionals happen, I see Weiss staying in Florida for the forseeable future.

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We would need a center coming back if we ever traded Weiss. Probably in a package deal.

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09-13-2012, 10:14 PM
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......at the trade deadline(if there is a season)


I know Florida doesn't have good at the C position but let's say they are out of the playoffs and Huberdeau shows promise and has a good rookie season. Seeing as Weiss would be a UFA what would his value be?
To Florida:
Andrew Shaw
Kyle Beach
1st 2014





To Chicago:
Weiss
3rd 2013

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To Florida:
Andrew Shaw
Kyle Beach
1st 2014





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Eh, value is not great. If it was a 2013 first the value would be decent, but it's not what the Panthers would trade Weiss for. If you read my above post.

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I'll give you Clarke MacArthur and a 3rd for him.

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I'll give you Clarke MacArthur and a 3rd for him.


Hypothetically, in a vaccuum, Kesler + Luongo for Huberdeau + Weiss?

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Hypothetically, in a vaccuum, Kesler + Luongo for Huberdeau + Weiss?
No thanks.

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Paul Gaustad has forever ruined TD rentals.
I disagree. The Paul Gaustad trade was a poor attempt at trying to convince Suter to stay because of the efforts to improve the team. Even more so, it was an indictment of the poor upcoming UFA market and, by extension, the rental market.

This upcoming season appears to have much more interesting rental and free agent markets (as is normally true this time of year), but last year was an anomaly.

GM's certainly know way more than myself about supply and demand, and Weiss is certainly worth a first, but don't expect to see Gaustad-like trades to become common.

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considering we just lost gudbranson to shoulder injury for 4 months and versteeg is still out for another 2 the prospects of us missing the playoffs is a highly realistic one.
I'll agree to disagree. Obviously doesn't bode well for us and Steeger is by far the bigger loss, but I still believe I the team and it's abilities. And I'm not at all scared of the teams around us.

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Weiss is a quality Center. Panthers hold on to him.

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Weiss is a quality Center. Panthers hold on to him.
Think Martin gave him a NTC, too, meant to put in my post that I don't see him being moved. Maybe it happens that we're just way out and we send him as a rental, but I can see him re-signing.

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Hypothetically, in a vaccuum, Kesler + Luongo for Huberdeau + Weiss?
Yikes. Not even close.

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Yikes. Not even close.
Yeah, VK has been enough threads he should know by now. Lol

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Weiss was the only one willing to stick it out here long term I doubt he gets moved, that would make Goc the first line center, even if Huberdeau impresses hes not going to be the number 1 center in only his second year (next year). Plus we would probably sign him for cheap

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considering we just lost gudbranson to shoulder injury for 4 months and versteeg is still out for another 2 the prospects of us missing the playoffs is a highly realistic one.
There's going to be a lockout anyway.

I still can't see Weiss not re-signing, it would be very strange to see him leave.

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Eh, value is not great. If it was a 2013 first the value would be decent, but it's not what the Panthers would trade Weiss for. If you read my above post.
Agh Weiss will be a Ufa at the end of next season won't get much more then that, but keep dreaming I guess.

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We would need a center coming back if we ever traded Weiss. Probably in a package deal.
Based on the idea in the OP that Huberdeau impresses and plays well as a rookie and actually does play center instead of wing, maybe we wouldnt need a center coming back. It just depends on a few other things as well...how far away the team thinks Bjugstad is from being a top 2 line center, if he's not ready can Goc hold down the fort for a yr on the 2nd line, is there someone else available via free agency to fill the gap?

Personally I think if we are out of the playoff race at the deadline, we have to at least consider trading Weiss. The return could be very good, the starting point would be a 1st rounder in 2013 and then some.
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Considering Weiss loves playing for Florida and wants to stick it out and be part of the revival, even if all the OPs conditionals happen, I see Weiss staying in Florida for the forseeable future.
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Weiss was the only one willing to stick it out here long term I doubt he gets moved, that would make Goc the first line center, even if Huberdeau impresses hes not going to be the number 1 center in only his second year (next year). Plus we would probably sign him for cheap
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There's going to be a lockout anyway.

I still can't see Weiss not re-signing, it would be very strange to see him leave.
While as much as I like Weiss and he's been loyal as anyone to the team, I dont know that we can just say it's doubtful he gets moved. If we struggle and are obviously not a playoff contender, I think Tallon thinks long and hard about moving Weiss if the return is good enough. I'd also hate to see him leave being that he will become the franchise's leading scorer and has played the most games in franchise history...he kinda deserves to retire as a Panther if thats his choice IMO.

And while I think we may have a good chance at re-signing him even as a free agent, I dont know if thats the best move for the organization long term. I mean we have Huberdeau, Bjugstad and possibly Shore in our pipeline at center for potential top 2 line centers. Thats not including guys like Grimaldi, Trocheck, and Knight who could play anything from 2nd or 3rd line spots at center. Plus we have an underrated guy in Goc who could hold down a 2nd line spot if guys arent ready in the short term. Would we be better off spending upwards of $5M on Weiss or maybe we get someone else at another position for cheaper and we get enough production out of them. Its probably a crapshoot either way I guess.

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Based on the idea in the OP that Huberdeau impresses and plays well as a rookie and actually does play center instead of wing, maybe we wouldnt need a center coming back. It just depends on a few other things as well...how far away the team thinks Bjugstad is from being a top 2 line center, if he's not ready can Goc hold down the fort for a yr on the 2nd line, is there someone else available via free agency to fill the gap?

Personally I think if we are out of the playoff race at the deadline, we have to at least consider trading Weiss. The return could be very good, the starting point would be a 1st rounder in 2013 and then some.


While as much as I like Weiss and he's been loyal as anyone to the team, I dont know that we can just say it's doubtful he gets moved. If we struggle and are obviously not a playoff contender, I think Tallon thinks long and hard about moving Weiss if the return is good enough. I'd also hate to see him leave being that he will become the franchise's leading scorer and has played the most games in franchise history...he kinda deserves to retire as a Panther if thats his choice IMO.

And while I think we may have a good chance at re-signing him even as a free agent, I dont know if thats the best move for the organization long term. I mean we have Huberdeau, Bjugstad and possibly Shore in our pipeline at center for potential top 2 line centers. Thats not including guys like Grimaldi, Trocheck, and Knight who could play anything from 2nd or 3rd line spots at center. Plus we have an underrated guy in Goc who could hold down a 2nd line spot if guys arent ready in the short term. Would we be better off spending upwards of $5M on Weiss or maybe we get someone else at another position for cheaper and we get enough production out of them. Its probably a crapshoot either way I guess.

Weiss, much like Plekanec in MTL,is one of the veteran player you should be looking to keep. He's a great leader and a great producer.. He's nearly irreplacable for you(just like Plek.) and has great attitude to top it all off. (and loves the city) why not keep him to show the path to the young kids ? When you have a veteran like him that was developped by the organization you keep him.

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While as much as I like Weiss and he's been loyal as anyone to the team, I dont know that we can just say it's doubtful he gets moved. If we struggle and are obviously not a playoff contender, I think Tallon thinks long and hard about moving Weiss if the return is good enough. I'd also hate to see him leave being that he will become the franchise's leading scorer and has played the most games in franchise history...he kinda deserves to retire as a Panther if thats his choice IMO.

And while I think we may have a good chance at re-signing him even as a free agent, I dont know if thats the best move for the organization long term. I mean we have Huberdeau, Bjugstad and possibly Shore in our pipeline at center for potential top 2 line centers. Thats not including guys like Grimaldi, Trocheck, and Knight who could play anything from 2nd or 3rd line spots at center. Plus we have an underrated guy in Goc who could hold down a 2nd line spot if guys arent ready in the short term. Would we be better off spending upwards of $5M on Weiss or maybe we get someone else at another position for cheaper and we get enough production out of them. Its probably a crapshoot either way I guess.
It's a possibility that Weiss is moved, but a slight one IMO. First of all, the return would have to be pretty sweet to consider it if I'm Tallon. A 2013 1st at the very least, with preferably a good prospect added on. Also, with your scenarios the Panthers actually take a step back for at least a season. Who's going to replace Weiss's production. Even if we take a step back in 2012-13, I think Tallon will be eagerly awaiting 13-14.

We'll be very lucky if Shore becomes as good as Weiss. Grimaldi likely won't be a center in the NHL, he's not even a center right now. Trocheck is far from a sure thing, and I really wouldn't count on Knight being more than a 4th line center on a Cup contending team. You don't move Weiss to make room for prospects. Would we be better off spending 5+M on Weiss? Yes. I don't see the logic in trying to get a different position player for less money and hoping he scores 60 pts. Besides, we are already crowded at wing, and will be even moreso if Huberdeau and Howden end up being wingers. Center is where we need help.

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