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Capitals Re-Sign John Carlson [6 Years/$3.967 AAV]

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09-14-2012, 10:31 AM
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One of the better signings this off-season, good job GMGM.

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09-14-2012, 10:35 AM
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I thought the deal would be around $3-3.5M for a short term deal (2-3 years). Great to see something close to that for much longer term. A bit "overpaid" for what he did on the ice during the regular season last year (especially defensively), but these "pay for potential" 2nd contracts are the new standard for higher profile players. Hopefully will be a steal for most of the deal's length.
Yeah, after the way he played in the regular season last year I really didn't expect a long term deal. Thought he'd take a two year "prove it" type of deal.

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09-14-2012, 10:35 AM
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Player signs an long-term "overpayment" deal: Lockout incoming! Owners keep throwing $$$$$ around. Leauge sure isn't hurting!

Player signs an long-term "underpayment" deal: He has a terrible agent!

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09-14-2012, 10:36 AM
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Wow, great deal for the Caps, just think if Holmgren wouldn't have traded that pick, the Flyers would have a young top 4 defenseman to build around. But he did, so the Caps benefit, good signing. Looks like teams are trying to lock up their young players long-term before the old cba expires.

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Damn an absolute steal for a guy who in a couple years will be competing for Norris trophies with players in his draft class making almost twice as much.

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09-14-2012, 10:38 AM
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Player signs an long-term "overpayment" deal: Lockout incoming! Owners keep throwing $$$$$ around. Leauge sure isn't hurting!

Player signs an long-term "underpayment" deal: He has a terrible agent!
Welcome to Hockey's Future Message Boards, myst.

This deal is neither a steal or overpayment really. It will probably be an overpayment for the next two seasons since Carlson still has his floaties on. It will be average in years 3-4. In years 5-6, it'll be a decent sized "steal". So inessence, it is what it is.

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09-14-2012, 10:39 AM
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Player signs an long-term "overpayment" deal: Lockout incoming! Owners keep throwing $$$$$ around. Leauge sure isn't hurting!

Player signs an long-term "underpayment" deal: He has a terrible agent!
Well the owners shouldn't be throwing money around. But that doesn't mean you can't criticize this agent for getting him a ****** deal compared to market value.

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Welcome to Hockey's Future Message Boards, myst.

This deal is neither a steal or overpayment really. It will probably be an overpayment for the next two seasons since Carlson still has his floaties on. It will be average in years 3-4. In years 5-6, it'll be a decent sized "steal". So inessence, it is what it is.
There's nothing hypocritical about saying that the owners shouldn't be spending right now but also simultaenously thinking a contract signed was bad value for the player/good value for the team.

Can someone explain how this is hypocritical? I am very comfortable saying both at the same time and do not see them as contradictions whatsoever.

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09-14-2012, 10:40 AM
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Reminds me of the Pacioretty deal. VERY good deal.
But this is about Carlson.

And this is a terrific steal, how did the Caps get him to sign so cheap and so long?

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09-14-2012, 10:40 AM
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Wicked deal.

It's not always about the agent, it's about the player. Carlson wants to play in Washington and he wants to help the team win. I'm sure there was the threat of the CBA hanging over his head too, taking a hit long term means he's getting paid this year.

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09-14-2012, 10:41 AM
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What a deal for the caps!

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09-14-2012, 10:50 AM
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Well the owners shouldn't be throwing money around. But that doesn't mean you can't criticize this agent for getting him a ****** deal compared to market value.



There's nothing hypocritical about saying that the owners shouldn't be spending right now but also simultaenously thinking a contract signed was bad value for the player/good value for the team.

Can someone explain how this is hypocritical? I am very comfortable saying both at the same time and do not see them as contradictions whatsoever.
The two statements aren't contradictory or even necissarily incorrect. However, it's amusing the inconsistencies between the two. Where are the people lauding Kari's agent in the other thread for getting a good deal for the player? Where are the people saying that a relatively well-off franchise in Washington can only afford to give Carlson a <$4M deal, so the league must really be hurting? My point was mostly that people only draw the conclusions that they want to draw based on any particular point of evidence, and ignore all the data points that don't support their viewpoint. Not surprising, nor is it unique to HFBoards. Just pointing out in the incongruity.

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09-14-2012, 10:51 AM
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The two statements aren't contradictory or even necissarily incorrect. However, it's amusing the inconsistencies between the two. Where are the people lauding Kari's agent in the other thread for getting a good deal for the player? Where are the people saying that a relatively well-off franchise in Washington can only afford to give Carlson a <$4M deal, so the league must really be hurting? My point was mostly that people only draw the conclusions that they want to draw based on any particular point of evidence, and ignore all the data points that don't support their viewpoint. Not surprising, nor is it unique to HFBoards. Just pointing out in the incongruity.
Fair response.

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09-14-2012, 10:57 AM
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Great deal. Pales in comparison with the Brouwer contract.

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09-14-2012, 10:58 AM
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I can't believe he signed for that term at that hit

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09-14-2012, 11:00 AM
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Very happy about the contract length as a caps fan.

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09-14-2012, 11:05 AM
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I don't think he has a bad agent. This is called taking a discount in favour of long term, something that Skinner/Hall/Eberle should've done considering their team gave them 6 yrs with only 1 yr playing at a $6 M level in sheltered minutes for Eberle and only flashes from the other two.

Carlson's an underrated dman but I don't know why people were expecting $5 M for him or Subban. In fact Carlson's played well for 2 seasons now? I'd say he's more proven than Skinner/Hall if anything (not saying he's better).


I wonder if his point production goes up now that Wideman's gone.

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09-14-2012, 11:08 AM
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Nice deal for the Caps

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Compared to a much older Wideman making 4.5M/year? What a steal!

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compared to a much older wideman making 4.5m/year? What a steal!
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09-14-2012, 11:18 AM
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Terrific signing... if they can convince his teammate Green that he's not that valuable right now, maybe they'll sign him cheaper too

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Insane deal!!!

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Great deal for Washington...

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09-14-2012, 11:21 AM
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That's probably what he's worth now. I'm not sure why he signed for that long at such a low price - I would have expected that kind of cap hit on a shorter contract.

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