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09-11-2012, 08:05 PM
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I don't think anyone "wants" to trade Gaborik.

But if the cap comes down and we miss a year, it may be the only option with the commitments we have to renew next offseason (not to mention MDZ's raise).

Clearly the plan was to have a Nash/Gabby duo for the 2012 stretch run and the coming season. Due to Howson's negotiating brilliance and a potential lockout, we may be left with zero.

However it would not shock me if the organizational plan all along was to take 2 runs and then move forward with Nash as the main horse. If we get a season Gabby will 100% be on the team through the end, earliest he will be dealt (IMO) is next draft.

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Like I said before, if Gaborik gets traded after we win a Cup with him, I'd be less upsetting for me.

He's done a lot for the team and I would hate for him to miss a Cup by 1 season a la Gartner.

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09-11-2012, 08:53 PM
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Any news on DZ anyway..?

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Gabby is skateing

Gabs is skateing & is taking part in contact drills. This is a good sign.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/ho...icle-1.1156861

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Gabs is skateing & is taking part in contact drills. This is a good sign.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/ho...icle-1.1156861
Very good sign.

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09-12-2012, 06:27 AM
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I was listening to Nick Kypreos discussing the CBA stuff yesterday. He said many times are hoping for compliance buyouts. No one knows where the cap will be set. What will be the rules? Bob McKenzie reported the NHL asked the PA to keep the cap at $64.3M in late June but they refused. The NHL didn't want teams spending close to $70M and then those teams are stuck when the cap in the new CBA drops. Setting the cap at $64.3M seems to be the spot. NBA set the cap at $58,044,000 for the first two years of their CBA. That figure was the cap # in the last of the previous CBA.

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My proposal: In the first three years, the salary cap would be unlinked from revenues and fixed in the mid-to-high $60-million range. After that, the cap would be linked to revenues again at 50-50 right away, or in a way that phases to 50-50. If revenues continue to grow the way they have, the cap will start rising again. Both sides will make more.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nhl--nh...est-fears.html

Something like that will be the deal. The NHL offered $58M,$60M and $62M in the first 3 years. The NHLPA offered $69M,$71M and $75M. They have to meet in the middle.

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09-12-2012, 06:41 AM
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Gaborik isn't going anywhere unless he's absolutely tanking it from the point he comes back from the IR to the trade deadline.

People see a new shiny toy and immediately forget about the old one and its uses. Gaborik finally became our go-to guy last year, took responsibility, and became clutch (minus the playoffs where he was playing with a torn labrum).

Another thing people are going to need to understand, is that this team won't be as dominant in the regular season as it was last year. Make no mistake, the roster, as currently constructed, is much more of a playoff geared team. Our bottom 6 is quite weak, and won't be considered "strong" until next season at the earliest. We also have some injuries and depth issues that will need to be addressed at some point for us to be legit.

I like that we didn't get Doan. I was on the fence about getting him to begin with, but now that he chose to stay in PHX (which was the best move he could have done in my opinion), I think this presents an excellent opportunity for a few of our young players to make the team straight out of camp.

Asham's not going to be playing for the first 20 or so games
. I can't envision a scenario where both Rupp and Haley play on the same line, either. So that leaves about 2 roster spots for our prospects to take: a 4th line spot, and a 3rd line spot. I'm going to assume Newbury takes the role of Brandon Prust, temporarily until Asham comes back. That leaves Thomas, Miller, Fast, and maybe even Bourque to try and get that 3rd line spot. This is going to be one exciting camp to watch, or a temporarily exciting AHL season... depending on what happens these coming few days.
Asham received a 4 game suspension on April 17th. He has served 3 of these games in the playoffs already. Hence, only a one game suspension remains at the beginning of the 2012/2013 season - whenever that is...

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I was listening to Nick Kypreos discussing the CBA stuff yesterday. He said many times are hoping for compliance buyouts. No one knows where the cap will be set. What will be the rules? Bob McKenzie reported the NHL asked the PA to keep the cap at $64.3M in late June but they refused. The NHL didn't want teams spending close to $70M and then those teams are stuck when the cap in the new CBA drops. Setting the cap at $64.3M seems to be the spot. NBA set the cap at $58,044,000 for the first two years of their CBA. That figure was the cap # in the last of the previous CBA.

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http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nhl--nh...est-fears.html

Something like that will be the deal. The NHL offered $58M,$60M and $62M in the first 3 years. The NHLPA offered $69M,$71M and $75M. They have to meet in the middle.
63,5 (2012/2013) - 65,5 (2013/2014) - 68,5 (2014/2015) would be a good number for our team and current roster - if the RFA situation is somehow changed so that resigning our 4 key RFAs after this coming season is possible. And that we can still stash Redden in the minors (compliance buyout otherwise?).
Would also most likely mean that a few players would become available on the cheap from "over-capped teams", which could possibly benefit our lineup further on up the road...

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09-12-2012, 07:39 AM
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According to WFAN (NY), our ex Rozy signed with the Blackhawks.

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According to WFAN (NY), our ex Rozy signed with the Blackhawks.
Yep was discussed on the previous page. I would have liked Rosie on those terms. CHI has a surplus of defensemen now.

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Yep was discussed on the previous page. I would have liked Rosie on those terms. CHI has a surplus of defensemen now.
He would've been a good 5th/6th. Still, I understand Glen not signing anyone else with the black cloud that's looming.

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Slats is one of the few GMs who still uses the leverage available to him. The other guys sign players 2 years away from arbitration to 6 year deals. Teams want to sign those players long term because they can become free agents with 7 years accrued or 27 under the current rules. If McDonagh continues to develop and grow his game,he will cost the Rangers a bundle. 7 goals and 32 points in his first full NHL season. Sather might regret not having signed him this summer.

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09-14-2012, 06:02 AM
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Shane Doan is deciding between Phoenix and Vancouver

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It is down two - Phoenix and Vancouver. Coyotes Captain Shane Doan will sign a contract deciding where he will play by 5 pm NY time Friday
https://twitter.com/Gambo620/status/246466804342476801

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so it could be a busy day (Doan, etc). League has warned teams that not filing by FRI aft. means risk of not getting approved in time.
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/stat...39288907124736

I read VAN is still trying to re-sign Burrows and Edler before the CBA expires.

Will Del Zotto re-sign?

The SPCs are sent to NHL Central Registry in Montreal.

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Shane Doan is deciding between Phoenix and Vancouver

https://twitter.com/Gambo620/status/246466804342476801

https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/stat...39288907124736

I read VAN is still trying to re-sign Burrows and Edler before the CBA expires.

Will Del Zotto re-sign?

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Getting Doan puts Van at approximately 67.7 + 5 m = 72.7m.

Luongo makes 5.3m. Luongo for a pick = 67.4m.

What do these GM's think the cap will be when the season starts? It just don't add up for me. Will they make the cap artificially higher and increase escrow even more? IE, like add 5m to the midpoint when calculating the cap?

When Bettman says 9%. Is that of last seasons cap? But 9% of the new midpoint still puts the cap at basically 64m. How is Van thinking there?

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Carlson got the contract DZ wants. From: @wyshynski
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RT @VogsCaps: #Caps sign dman John Carlson to six-year extension worth $23.8 million. Deal pays him $3.8 mil in 12-13 and $4 mil each of next 5 seasons.

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$3,966.667 aav.

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Smart players signing their contracts before they lose the CBA again.

Question is when will they be smart enough to cave so they can get paid?

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Don't understand why Sather already hasn't locked up McD with a 5/6 year deal.

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Carlson was a group II with no arb rights like DZ. $3.8M is non arb. R 3 arb years at $4M. 2 group III years at $4M. 6 years under $4M AAV would be a steal for the Rangers on McD.

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Carlson contract sets barometer for DZ.

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Carlson contract sets barometer for DZ.
it's a longer term deal though...considering the term, its not a horrendous deal, but Carlson has been far more consistent than MDZ....I wouldnt give MDZ the 6 years that Carlson just got.

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Don't understand why Sather already hasn't locked up McD with a 5/6 year deal.
Why? Salaries will come down, why lock him in a deal at the current rate?

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it's a longer term deal though...considering the term, its not a horrendous deal, but Carlson has been far more consistent than MDZ....I wouldnt give MDZ the 6 years that Carlson just got.
MDZ was much better than Carlson this past year.

6 yrs at less than 4m is a steal contract for an offensively gifted, 2-way, #3 defenseman.

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6 yrs at less than 4m is a steal contract for an offensively gifted, 2-way, #3 defenseman.
yeah, but Carlson was better the year before, and arguably the year before. MDZ had a great year this year...but 1 good year, 1 down year, and 1 up and down year should NOT get you almost 4 mil a year. thats terrible.

Carlson had 2 good years, and 1 meh year.

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yeah, but Carlson was better the year before, and arguably the year before. MDZ had a great year this year...but 1 good year, 1 down year, and 1 up and down year should NOT get you almost 4 mil a year. thats terrible.

Carlson had 2 good years, and 1 meh year.
But how is it terrible? MDZ was easily playing a 5m d-man last yr.

But, you're right. I would much prefer a short bridge contract like what happened with Staal/Girardi.

2yrs at 2m per. Followed by 4 yrs at 3.5m per.

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