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09-13-2012, 07:51 PM
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Play with scrubs. No sense putting him on the wing and rendering him ineffective. Might as well force him to produce with scrubs in the position he is best at.
Since WHEN does Eller is sooo good at center ? The guy cannot take a faceoff properly.

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09-13-2012, 08:11 PM
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People should chill down. Therrien is trying stuff and thats what training camp is all about.

I like the idea of having 3 balanced Defensive pairings...and I think by putting Bouillon-Subban as the 3rd pairing on the board didn't mean Subban is playing on the 3rd pairing. It means that Therrien wants to put that pairing with Moen-Prust-Arm which would provide a full hitting/checking line. Subban can still doubleshift with Gorges from time to time during the game and will probably be playing on the 1st PP and 1st PK.

The only thing that I didnt like is Gomez-White-Gallagher as the 4th line. But otherwise, good combos.
Hmm, if he was trying stuff out why not taken one of Pacioretty/Cole and give them to Plekanec and Gionta for a test. I mean who knows, Eller-Desharnais-Cole may work better than Eller-Plekanec-Gionta.

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09-13-2012, 08:38 PM
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Hmm, if he was trying stuff out why not taken one of Pacioretty/Cole and give them to Plekanec and Gionta for a test. I mean who knows, Eller-Desharnais-Cole may work better than Eller-Plekanec-Gionta.
The absolute worst thing to do would be to split up pac-dd-cole. One thing I'd like to see from Therrien is to give Gallagher/Leblanc a chance on Plekanec's line...even Galchenyuk.

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09-13-2012, 08:51 PM
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The absolute worst thing to do would be to split up pac-dd-cole.
No, the absolute worst thing to do is keep 1 very good line together, to the point of stubbornness, if nothing else is working and the team is easy to shut down...aka Randy Cunneyworth's entire tenure.

That line should only stay together if a consistent 2nd line emerges.

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One thing I'd like to see from Therrien is to give Gallagher/Leblanc a chance on Plekanec's line...even Galchenyuk.
Leblanc is a RW who can play some center.
Gallagher is a RW.
Galchenyuk is a center, NOT a winger.

None of them is the answer for the Plekanec/Gionta LW problem.

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09-13-2012, 10:30 PM
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No, the absolute worst thing to do is keep 1 very good line together, to the point of stubbornness, if nothing else is working and the team is easy to shut down...aka Randy Cunneyworth's entire tenure.

That line should only stay together if a consistent 2nd line emerges.



Leblanc is a RW who can play some center.
Gallagher is a RW.
Galchenyuk is a center, NOT a winger.

None of them is the answer for the Plekanec/Gionta LW problem.
As for the Pac-DD-Cole line, I don't see why we should split them up AT THE START OF THE YEAR and go from there. You have a point, but I think we should start with that 1st line.

Would it be THAT bad for Galchenyuk to play in a preseason game on the wing with Plekanec? There is nothing bad on experiencing a game on the wing. I didn't say I want him to play on the wing all his career, but I don't see how this can be bad. As for Leblanc or Gallagher, I meant to play him with Plekanec not Plekanec/Gionta.

But in a way, you are right, all we have is centers and RWs. So why do people complain when we try Eller on the wing? We don't have many LWs...therefore we gotta try to put a C/RW on the LW...unless you want to put Moen there? Or sign Kostitsyn?


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Absolutely correct!
we can find better reasons than this to bash Therrien
I think we should let him coach a game first..

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09-14-2012, 06:31 AM
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I had forgotten why I barely read this board (Habs) during the down months. Thank you for reminding me.

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Actually, Bouillon with Subban in a 7-D combination (where Subban is 1st and Bouillon is 6th-7th, and Bouillon mainly plays with Subban at ES and on the PK) could make sense. With Subban playing some other shifts with Diaz or something like that.

Problem with that : they (or, more like, Subban) won't be a shutdown guy anymore.

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09-14-2012, 07:05 AM
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I don't hate the Subban/Bouillon pairing actually.

If Bouillon can still follow the kid for 20 es minutes though.
PK will get tons of PP time on top. Bouillon can teach Subban a few things and will stay back and give PK the chance to do what he does best. Not a bad idea in my opinion, PK needs to be with a defense-minded D, and that;s either Georges or Bouillon.

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09-14-2012, 07:28 AM
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Woah, people are really desperate for something Habs-related to ***** about..

Therrien is simply shaping up the players. Getting them to know each other a bit again. I won't say a bad thing about the man unless we lost a game beause of his coaching.

He can make them spend the entire pre-season dancing on their head for all that matters. He is the HC, we aren't. How about we let him do his thing?

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Would it be THAT bad for Galchenyuk to play in a preseason game on the wing with Plekanec? There is nothing bad on experiencing a game on the wing. I didn't say I want him to play on the wing all his career, but I don't see how this can be bad. As for Leblanc or Gallagher, I meant to play him with Plekanec not Plekanec/Gionta.
Oh ok, I thought you meant regular season in Galchenyuk's case and you were talking as a LW to Pleks/Gio in LL's and BG's case. Yeah sure, try it out in pre-season.

I just don't want to see kids rushed, especially if it's out of position.

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But in a way, you are right, all we have is centers and RWs. So why do people complain when we try Eller on the wing? We don't have many LWs...
Because Eller's size is needed down the middle and every other time Eller has played wing, which has been quite a few times the last 2 years, it quickly becomes clear he isn't suited for it.

Anyway, this really looks like a moot point. By the time this CBA mess is solved, odds are that Bourque will likely back. I really don't see a resolution until mid-October at the earliest with how deeply entrenched both sides appear to be, you have to figure it will take around 3-4 weeks before there's a regular season game played once an agreement is reached. So that brings us to mid-November...and that's the optimistic scenario.

Still think flip flopping Bourque and Max Pac is the right move though. Let Desharnais try and unlock the Bourque mystery.

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09-14-2012, 10:01 AM
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Line combo debate, and we don't even know if we will have hockey in October. Gotta love HF.
This. Relax folks, get some fresh air, it's still nice outside.

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Since WHEN does Eller is sooo good at center ? The guy cannot take a faceoff properly.
Oh, I forgot face-off's are the only facet to a Center's game.

46.6% is hardly a horrible percentage.

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Oh, I forgot face-off's are the only facet to a Center's game.

46.6% is hardly a horrible percentage.
Most fans on this board want Eller to get top two line responsabilities and minutes...

Now they are complaining BECAUSE he MIGHT have to play LW on the second line....



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Most fans on this board want Eller to get top two line responsabilities and minutes...

Now they are complaining BECAUSE he MIGHT have to play LW on the second line....


And if you put him at center on the second line, they'll complain because Plekanec is getting the shaft.

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There wont be a season anyways

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what was the lineup?

Pacioretty - Desharnais - Cole
Eller - Plekanec - Gionta
Armstrong - Prust - Moen
White - Nokelainen - Gallagher

????????

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what was the lineup?

Pacioretty - Desharnais - Cole
Eller - Plekanec - Gionta
Armstrong - Prust - Moen
White - Nokelainen - Gallagher

????????
Pretty close, just slot in Gomer on the 4th line.

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Pacioretty - Desharnais - Cole
Eller - Plekanec - Gionta
Armstrong - Prust - Moen
White - Nokelainen - Gomez

until Bourque is ready ... wich would be the case if lock out go till november.

this mean :

Pacioretty Desharnais Cole
Armstrong Plekanec Gionta
Prust Eller Bourque
White Gomez (Nokelainen, Leblanc) Moen

the reason why they fit Eller as a top 6 actually is to try some subsitution in case of injuries ... or perhap their is more to come from trade after the cba.

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Most fans on this board want Eller to get top two line responsabilities and minutes...

Now they are complaining BECAUSE he MIGHT have to play LW on the second line....


The team has a glaring hole at LW. Doesn't mean you move one of your best center prospects to the wing to fix it. We should be grooming Eller into a top-two center.. not fitting him into holes we were too short-sighted to fix.

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The team has a glaring hole at LW. Doesn't mean you move one of your best center prospects to the wing to fix it. We should be grooming Eller into a top-two center.. not fitting him into holes we were too short-sighted to fix.
Until Eller proves that he is better (more productive offensively) than DD or Pleks, he will be stucked on the 3rd line.

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Until Eller proves that he is better (more productive offensively) than DD or Pleks, he will be stucked on the 3rd line.
And I am saying that is where he should stay. Only improvements I'd like to see for him this year is to have him play on the PP. Which doesn't require him being the "center" on the line. As long as he sets up anywhere but the front of the net and uses his vision & stickhandling abilities to create offensive opportunities.

Eller-Plekanec-Pacioretty PP line one.
Cole-DD-Gionta PP line two.

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The team has a glaring hole at LW. Doesn't mean you move one of your best center prospects to the wing to fix it. We should be grooming Eller into a top-two center.. not fitting him into holes we were too short-sighted to fix.
The guy gets a promotion on the first two lines! I like it personaly. Time to show what he's got.

Also I don't think Therrien wants another Jordan Staal situation on his hands where the guy got so sick on playing on the third line that he wanted out the first chance he got.

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The guy gets a promotion on the first two lines! I like it personaly. Time to show what he's got.

Also I don't think Therrien wants another Jordan Staal situation on his hands where the guy got so sick on playing on the third line that he wanted out the first chance he got.
C'mon...
I like Eller, but hasn't proved he could be a decent producer on a Top-6...

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Its either eller improves at the wing, and plays with talent, or he plays 3rd line centre with a bunch of grinders. Either way, he's in a bit of a bind.

I still hold hope for eller to play well at the wing. Players who play the centre position are usually pretty versatile. I mean, its not like the club can rely on bourque to deliver, and other top 6 injuries are bound to happen. Eller is the one guy in the bottom 6 that can step into that top 6 role, so the habs desperately need him to become an effective wing player.

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