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09-14-2012, 03:47 PM
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lets see if my tweek to this is any better
kings choice of la 1st in 13 or nyr 1st in 13 and columus 3rd (from columbus) Nikolai Khabibulin right to Linus Omark edmontons 2nd 13

columbus simon gagne and Jonathan Bernier

emonton mason and Andrei Loktionov
To the extent that we have any desire to go after Bernier at all, this is more attractive. Not by much, though, thanks to Gagne's unfortunate injury history.

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I think Bernier would be a good fit in Columbus and would thrive in competition with Bobrovsky for the starting role. This trade, however, is terrible for the Blue Jackets. There is no reason for Edmonton to be in this deal, either. The interesting part is that with Bernier, the Blue Jackets pick probably wouldn't be in the top 5 anymore, making the return much different.

How about this?

To LAK: Columbus 1st 2013, Steve Mason

To CLB: Jonathan Bernier, Andrei Loktionov, Thomas Hickey/Jake Muzzin

Steve Mason is a tricky player here because we've seen what he can do, it just seems like he's forgotten how to do it. I don't value him highly here, obviously. I don't see him being more than a backup goaltender anymore.
None of those are assets we particularly need or want. We have tons of offensive blueline prospects, we've got almost as many undersized skill forwards, and see above re: Bernier.

It's certainly more than fair value; it's just not what we hope to get out of that pick.

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09-14-2012, 04:13 PM
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EDM already has a 2C in Gagner that is better and proven then Loktionov and then we down grade our goal big time, does not make any sense what so ever. Just give LA a 2nd round pick for Bernier and then the deal is done.

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Wow that's bad for Edmonton and Columbus...

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09-14-2012, 05:54 PM
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Know who is better than Bernier? Nathan Mackinnon and/or Seth Jones are.

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09-14-2012, 06:19 PM
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No thanks. Id rather see how dubnyk fares this(hopefully) season.

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Bad for everyone except the Kings.

Cbus gives up a 1st in what is a very deep draft and likely will be a high pick for an unexperienced netminder, with good potential, but may or may not solve their problems. They need a sure thing.

Edmonton gives up Dubynk and a 2nd, to get a worse goalie, and a center who hasnt proven anything in the NHL, and looks like a Gagner-type player.

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Can't see the Jackets acquiring another goalie so soon after getting 1 in Bobrovsky.

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Am I alone in thinking Bernier is worth no where near that?
Yes, absolutely

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To the extent that we have any desire to go after Bernier at all, this is more attractive. Not by much, though, thanks to Gagne's unfortunate injury history.



None of those are assets we particularly need or want. We have tons of offensive blueline prospects, we've got almost as many undersized skill forwards, and see above re: Bernier.

It's certainly more than fair value; it's just not what we hope to get out of that pick.
Understandable, it is one of those times where quantity might make up for the quality of the pick if - and only if - the quantity helps the Blue Jackets make the playoffs or get pretty close to it. If adding Bernier, Loktionov, and one of our young defensemen won't do it, then I don't think it would be a good trade for Columbus either.

Although, I think Columbus and Los Angeles still make good trading partners. Kings have too many young defensemen and Columbus is a team that could use them wisely. I don't know where the value lies in that, though.

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09-14-2012, 08:46 PM
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Although, I think Columbus and Los Angeles still make good trading partners. Kings have too many young defensemen and Columbus is a team that could use them wisely.
Ryan Murray, John Moore, David Savard, Tim Erixon, Cody Goloubef, and Will Weber aren't enough?

Young defensemen is the Jackets' sole strength. Columbus needs scoring forwards and a goalie.

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09-14-2012, 08:50 PM
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Good god does Columbus ever get ***** in this deal.

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Dubnyk is Edmonton's soon to be starter. No way they move him and bring in Mason.

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Ryan Murray, John Moore, David Savard, Tim Erixon, Cody Goloubef, and Will Weber aren't enough?

Young defensemen is the Jackets' sole strength. Columbus needs scoring forwards and a goalie.
Forgot about them getting Erixon and I'm unfamiliar with the last two, but you've proven me wrong. Adding Murray and Erixon this offseason has certainly helped that, then. My guess is that the Blue Jackets need big scoring forwards, because, like the Kings, you have plenty of smaller players. Unfortunately, the Kings are looking for draft picks and scoring forwards as well. Aside from Bernier then, I don't think there's much of a deal to be had. My apologies!

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09-14-2012, 09:30 PM
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Columbus says: Bernier isn't worth a top 5 pick, a 1B goalie and a 2nd rounder.
Edmonton says: Dubnyk > Mason and we don't need Loktionov(Not saying he isn't good)
L.A says: HAHAHAHAHA! Where do I sign?! MUAHAHAHAHAHAA!

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Ahhhh, I have sorely missed my ridiculous spitsfan trade proposals. They always seem to screw 2 out of 3 teams over. Also there is never a 2 team trade from spitsfan. If you can't get 2 teams right what makes you think you can get three?

But this is terribad for CBJ more than anything. With the draft coming up, and CBJ being a team that in my opinion a couple years away from being a solid contender, giving up a solid lottery pick is bad.

Bernier is also completely and utterly unproven with under whelming performances. He has a high ceiling, but if he gets there is another discussion.

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09-15-2012, 06:34 AM
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Oilers get bent over, Dubnyk is way better than Mason, Loktionov doesn't make the deal even (good but he would have to be a 2nd line C already for us to even consider that.)

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To Columbus:
Bernier





To Oilers:
Mason
Loktionov




To Kings:
Dubnyk
Columbus 1st 2013
Oilers 2nd 2013


This Fair? Columbus Gets there starter...Edmonton get young center with potential and a goalie in Mason who has had a bad last couple years in Columbus but in my opinion still can get better, he is still young. And La get a solid back-up a top 5 pick(Columbus) and a high 2nd Rd. Pick.
Oilers do not do it becuase Mason sucks big time and is the new Jim Carey and even a change of scenery will not help him. Oilers have three players in the system that are likeLoktionov (Lander and Pitlick are the top two guys) and both of them look to be able to fill that void. I think the deal could be made between LA and BJS and the oilers do not need to get involved.

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09-15-2012, 05:30 PM
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I laugh when people think the difference between Dubnyk and Mason are huge. Yes, Dubnyk has better stats the past couple years, but he's also older than Mason and the Calder Trophy says hello.

Mason has won everywhere he's been. In his professional career he's only had 2 losing season, last year and 09-10. Last year can be completely written off b/c Jackets fans know how bad our defense was and how many injuries we dealt with last year. Of course the Edmonton fans are going to come in saying "Nuh uh" or "Hockey belongs in Canada, you don't know anything about hockey" or other useless non-sense.

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I laugh when people think the difference between Dubnyk and Mason are huge. Yes, Dubnyk has better stats the past couple years, but he's also older than Mason and the Calder Trophy says hello.

Mason has won everywhere he's been. In his professional career he's only had 2 losing season, last year and 09-10. Last year can be completely written off b/c Jackets fans know how bad our defense was and how many injuries we dealt with last year. Of course the Edmonton fans are going to come in saying "Nuh uh" or "Hockey belongs in Canada, you don't know anything about hockey" or other useless non-sense.

Not all of us are Neanderthals. Either way, Dubnyk and Mason may not be that different, but Edmonton fans most likely would rather go with the devil we know.
I would be very interested in this deal if the oilers had a notable backup goaltender with some mileage left. Unfortunately, The Bulin Wall is not that.
Maybe I just like Loktionov too much, maybe I want to see Mason succeed too much.

It isn't as much of a gamble as it sounds, but my fellow Edmonton fans somehow feel like Edmonton is leagues better than Columbus, but they were the two worst teams in the league.

We're laughing so hard because we're so glad we weren't where Columbus was. We'd be crying if we ended up dead last again.

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I laugh when people think the difference between Dubnyk and Mason are huge. Yes, Dubnyk has better stats the past couple years, but he's also older than Mason and the Calder Trophy says hello.

Mason has won everywhere he's been. In his professional career he's only had 2 losing season, last year and 09-10. Last year can be completely written off b/c Jackets fans know how bad our defense was and how many injuries we dealt with last year. Of course the Edmonton fans are going to come in saying "Nuh uh" or "Hockey belongs in Canada, you don't know anything about hockey" or other useless non-sense.
you think cbj d is bad edm had one of the worst last yr and dubnyk still had good numbers and decent w/l record for a goalie starting to take over the rains as the number 1

also how does winning a trophy have anything to do with his recent performance he had one good yr


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I laugh when people think the difference between Dubnyk and Mason are huge. Yes, Dubnyk has better stats the past couple years, but he's also older than Mason and the Calder Trophy says hello.

Mason has won everywhere he's been. In his professional career he's only had 2 losing season, last year and 09-10. Last year can be completely written off b/c Jackets fans know how bad our defense was and how many injuries we dealt with last year. Of course the Edmonton fans are going to come in saying "Nuh uh" or "Hockey belongs in Canada, you don't know anything about hockey" or other useless non-sense.
Someone with faith in their convictions wouldnt end their post on such a childish tone insulting a whole fanbase when nothing of the sort has been said about columbus.

Also Raycroft and his calder say high

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Lol no from Edmonton and Columbus.

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snap deal

Kings trade their back up for another solid back up, then trade a decent but nothing special prospect for what could be a lottery pick + another solid pick
the only problem is that Dubnyk is a starter and not a backup and is being paid accordingly.

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I think Bernier would be a good fit in Columbus and would thrive in competition with Bobrovsky for the starting role. This trade, however, is terrible for the Blue Jackets. There is no reason for Edmonton to be in this deal, either. The interesting part is that with Bernier, the Blue Jackets pick probably wouldn't be in the top 5 anymore, making the return much different.

How about this?

To LAK: Columbus 1st 2013, Steve Mason

To CLB: Jonathan Bernier, Andrei Loktionov, Thomas Hickey/Jake Muzzin

Steve Mason is a tricky player here because we've seen what he can do, it just seems like he's forgotten how to do it. I don't value him highly here, obviously. I don't see him being more than a backup goaltender anymore.
I really don't know what makes you think Bernier would be a good fit in Columbus. Is it the fact that he's a goalie? There's really nothing else to go off of.

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The Oilers downgrade sharply in goal for yet another small young center? Makes no sense there. Bernier to CBJ might make sense, but not at the price the OP thinks he should return.

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