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09-14-2012, 01:58 PM
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Yes, he would. As long as he doesn't cost too much.

As it stands, that deal already has our best prospect, an excellent young defenseman, and a high pick.

If we go much higher, then the costs will outweigh the gains.
A cup outweights all the little prospects.

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09-14-2012, 03:10 PM
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with Marc Bergeving coming from Chicago i can see a trade being made between both clubs for pleks but i doubt the habs are willing to part ways with thomas right now,if by trade deadline we're off the playoffs race then yes i can see it happening but not before that

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09-14-2012, 03:36 PM
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A cup outweights all the little prospects.
All the "little" prospects? Are you kidding? Nevermind the fact that no one player can guarantee a cup.

Brandon Saad is not being moved.

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A cup outweights all the little prospects.
Does a Cup outweigh holding on to the rest of Plekanec's prime years to compete for the 8th spot?

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09-14-2012, 04:03 PM
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Leddy and Saad alone is pushing it. I'd say Saad, Morin and a pick is the highest Chicago goes for Plekanec, which frankly is a damn good deal.
I have had these discussions with Hawks fans on many a thread. Most have agreed on something around Saad, prospect (Jimmy Hayes/Morin, usually one of them) and a pick (usually a 1st or 2nd). I think that represents fair value, as do many Hawks' fans whom I have discussed it with. Truth be told, I would rather it be Saad, Hayes, and a 1st than Leddy and Saad, but both packages work for me. I would hate losing Plekanec, but Saad can be a terrific young LW to play on our second line and grow with the club. Hayes would be just the kind of replacement for Gionta (in 1 or 2 years) we would need for the second line if he continues to develop.

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09-14-2012, 04:09 PM
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Does a Cup outweigh holding on to the rest of Plekanec's prime years to compete for the 8th spot?
And the survey says:

Yes - 70%
No - 30%

Unfortunately, the majority of Hab fans are quite happy continuing on with the status quo and most feel with a new coach and a new winger for Pleks we will surprise a lot of teams in the East.

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09-15-2012, 11:19 AM
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In Pleks for Leddy you get the age factor... and in Subban for Couturier as well... still wouldn't do it cause of PK Higher ceilling... but Chicago probably wouldn't give Leddy for Pleks alone... In the end Philly probably add a choice that Mtl would need to forward to Chicago
I disagree, couturier has the higher ceiling. He has the potential to be a PPG annual selke contender/winner. Subban has the potential to be a great #2 lower end #1

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09-15-2012, 11:30 AM
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I disagree, couturier has the higher ceiling. He has the potential to be a PPG annual selke contender/winner. Subban has the potential to be a great #2 lower end #1
You don't think he's going to get better than he already is?

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09-15-2012, 11:39 AM
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You don't think he's going to get better than he already is?
Yeah I do.... Right now he's only a good #2

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A bad proposal is okay when it's in a threeway.

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A bad proposal is okay when it's in a threeway.
haha!

And this talk about leddy and subban. People tend to paint subban as a pmd. If anything, he's more of a two way d. I doubt leddy's defense ever match subban' defense right now, let alone subban's defense in a few years.

Labelling subban as a pmd is just an awful way of describing subban and goes to show that you don't watch many habs games...

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haha!

And this talk about leddy and subban. People tend to paint subban as a pmd. If anything, he's more of a two way d. I doubt leddy's defense ever match subban' defense right now, let alone subban's defense in a few years.

Labelling subban as a pmd is just an awful way of describing subban and goes to show that you don't watch many habs games...
That's a joke right? Leddy is as good if not better than Suban defensively

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habs trade plekanec and subban for leddy and couturier ? no way......

look, why the habs would trade their #1 center and their #1 dman for .... leddy and couturier ?

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Yeah I do.... Right now he's only a good #2
He's definitely what you said his potential was. Right now he's easily a great #2/okay #1. He played 24 minutes a night, +9 on a -14 team, and was a top penalty killer on a second best PK unit in the game.

EDIT: Holy ****, Leddy isn't even close to Subban. Subban is much much defensively than Leddy is. Have you even watched him? Or do you just throw around the popular opinion on here because you can't form your own?

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He's definitely what you said his potential was. Right now he's easily a great #2/okay #1. He played 24 minutes a night, +9 on a -14 team, and was a top penalty killer on a second best PK unit in the game.

EDIT: Holy ****, Leddy isn't even close to Subban. Subban is much much defensively than Leddy is. Have you even watched him? Or do you just throw around the popular opinion on here because you can't form your own?
I watch both players often. Subban is a much better defensseman than Leddy on his offense only, defensively he's not better, Leddy is severely underrated, I watch him every night.

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09-15-2012, 12:06 PM
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He's definitely what you said his potential was. Right now he's easily a great #2/okay #1. He played 24 minutes a night, +9 on a -14 team, and was a top penalty killer on a second best PK unit in the game.

EDIT: Holy ****, Leddy isn't even close to Subban. Subban is much much defensively than Leddy is. Have you even watched him? Or do you just throw around the popular opinion on here because you can't form your own?
And in no world is Subban a #1 defenseman right now

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09-15-2012, 12:07 PM
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I watch both players often. Subban is a much better defensseman than Leddy on his offense only, defensively he's not better, Leddy is severely underrated, I watch him every night.
This is hilarious!

Subban is miles ahead of Leddy defensively and it's not even close. For one, just look at their penalty kill defensive play. Subban is 2nd for Habs d-men on the 2nd best ranked PK in the league.

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This is hilarious!

Subban is miles ahead of Leddy defensively and it's not even close. For one, just look at their penalty kill defensive play. Subban is 2nd for Habs d-men on the 2nd best ranked PK in the league.
This is Hilarious!

Your below pointless stats mean nothing, penalty kill does not constitute which player is better defensively, Subban is a great skater which is why he is used on the PK a lot, not to mention Chicago has two defenseman clearly better than Subban In Keith and Seabrook, Leddy has less responsibility due to being the #3 defenseman. If Subban was on Chicago he wouldn't even be close to 2nd in PK

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And in no world is Subban a #1 defenseman right now
u r all wrong subban is a #1 def for the habs with something around 24-26 minutes on ice each game, and he finished the season +9

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This is Hilarious!

Your below pointless stats mean nothing, penalty kill does not constitute which player is better defensively, Subban is a great skater which is why he is used on the PK a lot, not to mention Chicago has two defenseman clearly better than Subban In Keith and Seabrook, Leddy has less responsibility due to being the #3 defenseman. If Subban was on Chicago he wouldn't even be close to 2nd in PK
Your're wrong on PK defensive ability, Subban is the player you want on the ice with less then 1 min left with a 1 goal lead. He's MTL best defenceman and already a no1 on half team in the league at 23 year old.

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I watch both players often. Subban is a much better defensseman than Leddy on his offense only, defensively he's not better, Leddy is severely underrated, I watch him every night.
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This is Hilarious!

Your below pointless stats mean nothing, penalty kill does not constitute which player is better defensively, Subban is a great skater which is why he is used on the PK a lot, not to mention Chicago has two defenseman clearly better than Subban In Keith and Seabrook, Leddy has less responsibility due to being the #3 defenseman. If Subban was on Chicago he wouldn't even be close to 2nd in PK
Clearly you don't watch Subban often, because that's not why he's used.
He's fantastic at penalty killing because he plays it aggressively which compliments Gorges extremely well. His strength is another key factor, because he can force players to the outside, and clears the front of the net.

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u r all wrong subban is a #1 def for the habs with something around 24-26 minutes on ice each game, and he finished the season +9
Subban is NOT a #1 Defenseman. Just because he's the #1 on th Habs ( a bad team) doesn't mean he's a #1.

Is Byfuglien or Enstrom a #1? No
Is beauchimin or fowler a #1? No
Is Bouwmeester a #1? No
Pitkanen? No
Erik Johnson? No
Jack Johnson? No
Kronwall? No
Robias? No
Whitney? No
Salvador? No
Matt Carle? No
Mike Green? No

These defenseman are all currently the best on their teams

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this is ridiculous, I cant see the habs trade their #1 center and their #1 def for that cheap...

comon guys be serious a lil bit.

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Subban is NOT a #1 Defenseman. Just because he's the #1 on th Habs ( a bad team) doesn't mean he's a #1.

Is Byfuglien or Enstrom a #1? No
Is beauchimin or fowler a #1? No
Is Bouwmeester a #1? No
Pitkanen? No
Erik Johnson? No
Jack Johnson? No
Kronwall? No
Robias? No
Whitney? No
Salvador? No
Matt Carle? No
Mike Green? No

These defenseman are all currently the best on their teams
ok so in ur mind theirs only 2 or 3 #1 def in the league ? lol

and maybe the habs was a bad team last year, but dont forget to consider subban finished the season at +9

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ok so in ur mind theirs only 2 or 3 #1 def in the league ? lol
No.... In no particular order

Weber
Suter
Chara
Keith
Seabrook
Letang
Karlsson
Streit
Doughty
Pietrangelo
Yandle
OEL
Edler/borderline
Campbell
Boyle
Timonen
Pronger/ if he returns of course
McDonaugh



Then there's about 10 boarder lines, any one of the rangers other defenseman, phanuef ect. I could be missing sme of course.

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