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09-15-2012, 01:33 PM
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That's a joke right? Leddy is as good if not better than Suban defensively
I'd give you a , but let's just say that I heartfully disagree and believe you are flat out wrong

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09-15-2012, 01:35 PM
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I don't see the point of this move. Habs give up two good players get back two good but young players.

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09-15-2012, 01:37 PM
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No.... In no particular order

Weber
Suter
Chara
Keith
Seabrook
Letang
Karlsson
Streit
Doughty
Pietrangelo
Yandle
OEL
Edler/borderline
Campbell
Boyle
Timonen
Pronger/ if he returns of course
McDonaugh



Then there's about 10 boarder lines, any one of the rangers other defenseman, phanuef ect. I could be missing sme of course.
Subban is on the same level as the bolded. He's also very close to Boyle and Campbell.

Also Edler, borderline? Your joking right? He's absolutely a number 1. Just because he had a bad playoffs doesn't mean he's not any more.

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09-15-2012, 01:37 PM
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we cant say oel is better than subban same for mcdonagh I personnaly think subban is better than him, timmonen is too old his legs dont follow him, Streit really ? that guy is extremely bad defensively, and pronger is done...

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09-15-2012, 01:48 PM
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Subban is on the same level as the bolded. He's also very close to Boyle and Campbell.

Also Edler, borderline? Your joking right? He's absolutely a number 1. Just because he had a bad playoffs doesn't mean he's not any more.
Phaneuf is also a #1. I consider Subban around Phaneuf's current impact. Phaneuf is tougher but worse defensively(although he isn't as bad as people like to nag him for), subban is the better skater but phaneuf has the better shot. They play similar minutes and have similar values to their respective teams. That's how I see it anyway.

I think Sasso is mixing up elite and #1. Subban may not be a #1 on all teams, he certainly wouldn't move chara, weber etc... On the hawks he'd be #3 as keith and seabrook are fantastic...but leddy? holy **** I consider subban on par with mcdonagh. I think they'd make a fantastic pairing together too, if only the habs had drafted both of them...

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09-15-2012, 01:48 PM
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No.... In no particular order

Weber
Suter
Chara
Keith
Seabrook
Letang
Karlsson
Streit
Doughty
Pietrangelo
Yandle
OEL
Edler/borderline
Campbell
Boyle
Timonen
Pronger/ if he returns of course
McDonaugh



Then there's about 10 boarder lines, any one of the rangers other defenseman, phanuef ect. I could be missing sme of course.
Ryan Suter
Corsi Relative QoC: 1.262
Offensive zone starts: 45.7%
Corsi Relative QoT: 2.059
Corsi Relative: 7.3

PK Subban
Corsi Rel QoC: 1.266
Offensive zone starts: 46.3%
Corsi Relative QoT: 0.416
Corsi Relative: 6.3

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No.... In no particular order

Weber
Suter
Chara
Keith
Seabrook
Letang
Karlsson
Streit
Doughty
Pietrangelo
Yandle
OEL
Edler/borderline
Campbell
Boyle
Timonen
Pronger/ if he returns of course
McDonaugh



Then there's about 10 boarder lines, any one of the rangers other defenseman, phanuef ect. I could be missing sme of course.
If Subban is not a no1 D then the bold are NOT... and WTF with everyone on HF board Overrating Ryan McDonaugh, he's good but everyone put this guy in the same category as OEL Pietrangelo and Subban.

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09-15-2012, 01:51 PM
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Again, the first deal was just a basis, current deal has the Habs getting Morin and a 3rd as well. Moron is a big piece, we got him from our Atlanta deals, very high on him, 20-25 goal two way forward and physical. Laser shot.

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09-15-2012, 02:24 PM
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I can see why Flyers fans would want to hold on to Couturier. Yeah, Pleks is better AT THE MOMENT, but Couturier will be irreplaceable down the road.

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09-15-2012, 03:27 PM
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This is Hilarious!

Your below pointless stats mean nothing, penalty kill does not constitute which player is better defensively, Subban is a great skater which is why he is used on the PK a lot, not to mention Chicago has two defenseman clearly better than Subban In Keith and Seabrook, Leddy has less responsibility due to being the #3 defenseman. If Subban was on Chicago he wouldn't even be close to 2nd in PK
Subban showed himself to be an excellent penalty killer this year.

Leddy showed himself to be unworthy of being a penalty killer at all this year. Yes, he was on the second PK unit for a reason, but that reason is because Quenneville was too blind to see that he doesn't belong there at all, not because he was blocked by Keith and Seabrook.

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This is Hilarious!

Your below pointless stats mean nothing, penalty kill does not constitute which player is better defensively, Subban is a great skater which is why he is used on the PK a lot, not to mention Chicago has two defenseman clearly better than Subban In Keith and Seabrook, Leddy has less responsibility due to being the #3 defenseman. If Subban was on Chicago he wouldn't even be close to 2nd in PK
Oh really now?

There is literally nothing that Leddy does better than Subban. Leddy is being extremely overrated if you think he's on Subban's level defensively. Subban lines up against the league's top forwards and puts up a much better shot differential. Leddy, when on the ice gets severely outshot against 2nd/3rd liners. You're just a straight up homer if you think they're close.

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09-15-2012, 04:35 PM
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There isn't a single team in the NHL that would take Plek over Couturier, so you're wrong there.
Couturier might peak out as a 40pts forward.

Plekanec got like 6 + 20+ goals season, 70pts, 69pts, multiple 50pts season. I've been a Q-fan for years.

Couturier offensive potential is similar to Plekanec. And defensively, Plekanec is way better, even if for his age Couturier showed great thing.

Potential wise, Couturier might be the choice of all GM, but as of value and quality of the player on the ice, Plekanec is a zillion time ahead of Sean.

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09-15-2012, 06:41 PM
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Never traded Tomas Plekanec.

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09-15-2012, 07:04 PM
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Couturier might peak out as a 40pts forward.
He also might peak out at 80 points. What's your point.

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09-16-2012, 12:11 PM
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I can see why Flyers fans would want to hold on to Couturier. Yeah, Pleks is better AT THE MOMENT, but Couturier will be irreplaceable down the road.
Pleks have nothing to do with the flyers in that deal...

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09-16-2012, 12:25 PM
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Oh really now?

There is literally nothing that Leddy does better than Subban. Leddy is being extremely overrated if you think he's on Subban's level defensively. Subban lines up against the league's top forwards and puts up a much better shot differential. Leddy, when on the ice gets severely outshot against 2nd/3rd liners. You're just a straight up homer if you think they're close.

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Subban is one of the most overrated players in the NHL. ****, at least Leddy doesn't run for the bench during an odd man rush.

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09-16-2012, 12:26 PM
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Subban is one of the most overrated players in the NHL. ****, at least Leddy doesn't run for the bench during an odd man rush.
Actually, judging by some of the Subban trade threads, I'd say he's one of the most underrated players in the NHL.

He's easily better than Leddy.

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09-16-2012, 12:30 PM
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Leddy is a 4/5 right now, getting much better, upside is 3; Subban is a low end 3, potential to be a 2.

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Leddy is a 4/5 right now, getting much better, upside is 3; Subban is a low end 3, potential to be a 2.
Subban's a #1 right now.

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Ryan Suter
Corsi Relative QoC: 1.262
Offensive zone starts: 45.7%
Corsi Relative QoT: 2.059
Corsi Relative: 7.3

PK Subban
Corsi Rel QoC: 1.266
Offensive zone starts: 46.3%
Corsi Relative QoT: 0.416
Corsi Relative: 6.3
He performed very similarly to Ryan Suter, but did it with far less help.

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Leddy is a 4/5 right now, getting much better, upside is 3; Subban is a low end 3, potential to be a 2.
I don't even know what to say...

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Leddy is a 4/5 right now, getting much better, upside is 3; Subban is a low end 3, potential to be a 2.
Subban played #1 def for the habs last season and he did pretty well, he finished the season at +9 by playing against top lines players

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I don't even know what to say...
Just say how the OP makes so much sense now.

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Leddy is a 4/5 right now, getting much better, upside is 3; Subban is a low end 3, potential to be a 2.
LOL subban is a number 1

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Leddy is a 4/5 right now, getting much better, upside is 3; Subban is a low end 3, potential to be a 2.
That's so embarrassing

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Subban is a #1 D.

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