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09-11-2012, 09:13 AM
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Should the PA not use Quebec law in their favor?
Didn't say that. They are of course free to use whatever legal means are available. But it does add to the ugliness and doesn't really motivate the rest of the owners to cave in. I understand that they are hoping for the Canadiens (and possibly the Flames and Oilers) to put the pressure on if the PA wins. I have my doubts as to how effective it will actually be.

As far as who is at fault. Well, there is plenty of blame to go around. I think that 57% of HRR is too much for the players to be receiving. But, the owners really need to work with the PA on what is considered HRR in the first place. Bettman serves the owners, and if they didn't like what he was doing, he'd be out on his ass. That being said, his first words of advice shouldn't be "lockout". Or even the second or third words. Plenty of crap to smear on everybody for this mess.

I just want hockey. Looks like I'll be taking in more Solar Bears games than I had originally planned.

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09-11-2012, 09:22 AM
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One issue that is bothering me in particular.

Bettman has said that the owners will lockout on 9/15 if no new CBA. I understand the rationale that the owners don't want to take the chance of a player strike right before the playoffs. Both Fehr and the NHLPA have done it, Fehr with the MLB.

But has anybody just asked the PA if they would sign a legally binding to not strike while negotiations are ongoing, if the owners will allow the season to start. Doesn't seem like it would be that difficult.

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09-11-2012, 10:40 AM
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One issue that is bothering me in particular.

Bettman has said that the owners will lockout on 9/15 if no new CBA. I understand the rationale that the owners don't want to take the chance of a player strike right before the playoffs. Both Fehr and the NHLPA have done it, Fehr with the MLB.

But has anybody just asked the PA if they would sign a legally binding to not strike while negotiations are ongoing, if the owners will allow the season to start. Doesn't seem like it would be that difficult.
The players have no problems playing under the current CBA so would have zero motivation on agreeing to anything new that would benefit the owners. What is Bettman meant to do, cancel the season in December as they cannot agree?

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93-94 was played without a CBA.

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09-12-2012, 12:26 PM
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NHL has announced media availability tomorrow at 3:30 p.m. Expected to formalize lockout. #NHL

**** Now I gotta get a life.

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Bruce Garrioch ‏@SunGarrioch
NHL has announced media availability tomorrow at 3:30 p.m. Expected to formalize lockout. #NHL

**** Now I gotta get a life.
So they're announcing there's going to be a lockout before it happens?

WTF? I know the owners aren't players, but they're a bunch of quitters if they give up before the clock runs out.

Unless it's a negotiating ploy, then keep us out of it, thank you.

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09-14-2012, 09:53 AM
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09-14-2012, 10:05 AM
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Don't worry guys, this will fix it!

http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/lightn...ay-times-forum

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A Seffner Tampa Bay Lightning fan is organizing a protest Saturday at the Tampa Bay Times Forum against the pending lockout that threatens to at least delay the start of the 2012-13 season.

The protest is from noon to 3 p.m.
Maybe I'm being too cynical. Yeah, it won't accomplish anything, but it will let people blow off some steam with other people who are just as pissed off.

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09-14-2012, 11:03 AM
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Can someone please explain why Tampa is being grouped with all the other teams who are losing money? I thought we were doing fine since Vinik came into town. I mean we did have 14K season ticket holders and I've seen a ton of Bolts gear around town (relatively speaking to what there was before)

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I think it's time for Bettman to go.


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09-15-2012, 09:04 AM
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A CBA should be a pretty simple thing to bang out. Just make it so it's unfair for both sides, as 'fair' doesn't exist.

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09-15-2012, 10:52 AM
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Owners 45%
Players 45%
Me 10%

Problem solved. No imbalance between owners and players.

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Oh good thing I got charged my last payment on my season tickets yesterday. I was worried the lockout today would interfere with them taking my money for what is now an overpriced piece of plastic with no use.

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09-15-2012, 06:48 PM
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Owners 45%
Players 45%
Me 10%

Problem solved. No imbalance between owners and players.
The imbalance you propose gives me an idea.

49/49 players/owners

the last 2 percent goes to youth hockey programs.

That way, neither side gets the 'majority', and it ensures the future health of the league.

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09-15-2012, 06:49 PM
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Looked like Modo-Timrå .. Troubled eager to play hockey now # twittpuck

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**** both sides.

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09-16-2012, 01:44 AM
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The imbalance you propose gives me an idea.

49/49 players/owners

the last 2 percent goes to youth hockey programs.

That way, neither side gets the 'majority', and it ensures the future health of the league.
2% goes to the floors

Harf harf harf

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09-16-2012, 03:23 AM
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2% goes to the floors

Harf harf harf
2% goes to NAMBLA.

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Anyone know how Center Ice will work. Will the cable/FIOS companies bill then refund, or wait until the dates for any hockey is known then prorate them.

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Anyone know how Center Ice will work. Will the cable/FIOS companies bill then refund, or wait until the dates for any hockey is known then prorate them.
If I remember correctly, Center Ice is the same price whether you buy it at the beginning of the season up until around the half way point anyway.

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09-16-2012, 10:18 AM
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We held our last payment on our tickets because of the lockout. One small sense of satisfaction while getting screwed by millionaires and billionaires.

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No more Hedman on the home site's background image. It's the same with every other NHL team site too.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=641584&cmpid=twt

A message to the fans from the NHL:

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despite the expiration of the Collective Bargaining Agreement, the National Hockey League has been, and remains, committed to negotiating around the clock to reach a new CBA that is fair to the Players and to the 30 NHL teams.

Thanks to the conditions fostered by seven seasons under the previous CBA, competitive balance has created arguably the most meaningful regular season in pro sports; a different team has won the Stanley Cup every year; fans and sponsors have agreed the game is at its best, and the League has generated remarkable growth and momentum. While our last CBA negotiation resulted in a seismic change in the League's economic system, and produced corresponding on-ice benefits, our current negotiation is focused on a fairer and more sustainable division of revenues with the Players -- as well as other necessary adjustments consistent with the objectives of the economic system we developed jointly with the NHL Players' Association seven years ago. Those adjustments are attainable through sensible, focused negotiation -- not through rhetoric.

This is a time of year for all attention to be focused on the ice, not on a meeting room. The League, the Clubs and the Players all have a stake in resolving our bargaining issues appropriately and getting the puck dropped as soon as possible. We owe it to each other, to the game and, most of all, to the fans.
A message to the fans from the Players



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On ESPN our friend Berry Melrose said that the league and owners want the Winter Classic to happen as it's a great revenue producer and a huge PR success for the league - so he expects a solution by November or December - much like with the NBA a year ago. Once the season starts and the owners start missing home games "I think we'll see things happen fast": http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:8386963

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Sorry but all these statements are such crap. If you really gave a damn about the fans, it wouldn't have gotten to this points.

**** the league and **** the players.

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