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09-16-2012, 12:01 PM
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Can't forget the non-signing of Jagr when he explicitly said mtl was his first choice. Didn't like that either.

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09-16-2012, 12:29 PM
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Yah but Bergevin isn't a vegan.

All that aside, there's not much I can complain about expect Boullion, Therrien and the Price contract.
I like the Price contract actually. Boullion is meh, it's 1 year. Therrien is...well...I guess we have no choice? Would've liked Hartley over him.

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And Bergevin doesn't call his players mister. Quel dommage!

The Price contract is as much a win for Price/his agent as any. Bouillon is a low-key filler signing that the Jacques Martin era was known for and Therrien is by no means a notable signing.

Bergevin hasn't done anything, I can't rate him at all but other Habs fans seem to think he's god. I dunno why, I really can't see it.
All I see is a * OP who said so and the rest saying it is too early to rate him.

Besides, innocent till proven guilty type of mentality. He hasn't screwed up yet so doesn't need to redeem himself I guess.

If we need to contrast the two(Gauthier vs Bergevin) please don't ignore Timmins is happier with less of a work load, there's better pro scouting and more scouts in the Q, USHL, etc... Again, this is merely good on paper, who knows if the results will change right? Still, you can't ignore Bergevin has a completely different philosophy in terms of management to Gauthier. I like the change but results matter too. I don't expect a cup win, and I didn't expect that with Gauthier. I'd even be okay with a low finish(should there be a season) but I want to see proper development of our assets, proper asset management and improvement in areas we weren't up to par. Essentially, this is a "we'll see" scenario, but as others have said, Therrien aside, so far so good but it's way too early.

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09-16-2012, 12:30 PM
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Can't forget the non-signing of Jagr when he explicitly said mtl was his first choice. Didn't like that either.
That's a perfectly good reason to think Bergevin is on the right track.

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09-16-2012, 12:34 PM
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That's a perfectly good reason to think Bergevin is on the right track.
Jagr on a 1 year deal? I would've done it. It's a win-win scenario. In the worst case, we trade him at the deadline and some team will pay because it's jagr.

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09-16-2012, 12:39 PM
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Jagr on a 1 year deal? I would've done it. It's a win-win scenario. In the worst case, we trade him at the deadline and some team will pay because it's jagr.
Jagr doesn't help in the big picture. Habs are a half decade or more away from being anything special, they need to evaluate young players closely and do it aggressively. Getting Leblanc into the lineup is an order of magnitude more important than a one yeasr PR stunt like Jagr.

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Jagr doesn't help in the big picture. Habs are a half decade or more away from being anything special, they need to evaluate young players closely and do it aggressively. Getting Leblanc into the lineup is an order of magnitude more important than a one yeasr PR stunt like Jagr.
I have to agree with this.

Don't get me wrong, I think Jagr could produce in Montreal, but we really aren't at the point of competing, and we should be focused on developing our own talent.

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09-16-2012, 12:50 PM
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Jagr doesn't help in the big picture. Habs are a half decade or more away from being anything special, they need to evaluate young players closely and do it aggressively. Getting Leblanc into the lineup is an order of magnitude more important than a one yeasr PR stunt like Jagr.
Yet Bergevin would have limited chances to Leblanc and other rookies had he signed Doan, which he full well intended. Jagr on a one year deal would have been a win-win, especially since Bergevin intended to fill that top 6 spot with Doan if the opportunity arose.

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09-16-2012, 12:53 PM
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Jagr doesn't help in the big picture. Habs are a half decade or more away from being anything special, they need to evaluate young players closely and do it aggressively. Getting Leblanc into the lineup is an order of magnitude more important than a one yeasr PR stunt like Jagr.
While I agree, I'm going by the contracts we have. Most of our top salaries guys have 2 years left(Gionta, Gomez, Markov, Kaberle, etc..). I figured having Jagr to compliment the guys for a year is no big deal. In fact I'd feel it would be one last effort by management with low risk. If failure occurs then I would've expected a turnover and a youth movement. Guys I mentioned would have 1 year left and would be far more tradeable for young players, picks, prospects. While I don't want to trade guys for picks in 2016 for instance, having top picks in a deep draft like 2013 or young players near NHL ready wouldn't be a bad move either.

My only argument is, if you want a youth movement, guys I mentioned defeat that logic. It's not like signing Jagr for 1 year changes everything. Guys will get injured, things will change. Besides, not like these guys are untradeable either. I suggested if we're on outside looking in we can trade jagr(and more). I don't see how half a season in the AHL for leblanc, gallagher and company will hurt.

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Bergevin has great potential but I don't see what's so exceptional about resigning your own RFAs (minus 1) and signing 3rd/4th liner UFAs.

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Our top defenseman isn't signed yet, and we failed to add a minute eating defenseman and a top 6 forward.. if Gauthier made the same moves he's made/hasn't made he'd be getting **** on every day.

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09-16-2012, 01:22 PM
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Yet Bergevin would have limited chances to Leblanc and other rookies had he signed Doan, which he full well intended. Jagr on a one year deal would have been a win-win, especially since Bergevin intended to fill that top 6 spot with Doan if the opportunity arose.
I don't know where MB's head is on Doan, and I'd prefer to evaluate a GM on what he does rather than doesn't do, but in assessing where Doan or Jagr fits in I think the outcome was a good one. The team needs to focus on young players and less on free agents at this particular time.

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09-16-2012, 01:31 PM
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I don't know where MB's head is on Doan, and I'd prefer to evaluate a GM on what he does rather than doesn't do, but in assessing where Doan or Jagr fits in I think the outcome was a good one. The team needs to focus on young players and less on free agents at this particular time.
Jagr would've made perfect sense, it would of allowed Leblanc and Gallagher to play a full year in the AHL where they should be instead of rushing one to try and fill a spot in our lineup. Worst case with Jagr would've been trading him at the deadline to a contender for a pick.

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09-16-2012, 01:39 PM
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While I agree, I'm going by the contracts we have. Most of our top salaries guys have 2 years left(Gionta, Gomez, Markov, Kaberle, etc..). I figured having Jagr to compliment the guys for a year is no big deal. In fact I'd feel it would be one last effort by management with low risk. If failure occurs then I would've expected a turnover and a youth movement. Guys I mentioned would have 1 year left and would be far more tradeable for young players, picks, prospects. While I don't want to trade guys for picks in 2016 for instance, having top picks in a deep draft like 2013 or young players near NHL ready wouldn't be a bad move either.

My only argument is, if you want a youth movement, guys I mentioned defeat that logic. It's not like signing Jagr for 1 year changes everything. Guys will get injured, things will change. Besides, not like these guys are untradeable either. I suggested if we're on outside looking in we can trade jagr(and more). I don't see how half a season in the AHL for leblanc, gallagher and company will hurt.
I can't disagree with this, if Jagr was enough of a mercenary to play for a 28th placed team he might be enough of one to be traded in February (or whenever the deadline is going to be this season) . So yeah, maybe that extra 2nd rounder would be a good pickup. But at this early stage of MB's career it's tough to put a non-move into the mistake category without knowing the context of it. Is MB a visionary who unlike his predecessors understands where this team is on the improvement curve, or does he just not like Jagr? Who knows?

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I can't disagree with this, if Jagr was enough of a mercenary to play for a 28th placed team he might be enough of one to be traded in February (or whenever the deadline is going to be this season) . So yeah, maybe that extra 2nd rounder would be a good pickup. But at this early stage of MB's career it's tough to put a non-move into the mistake category without knowing the context of it. Is MB a visionary who unlike his predecessors understands where this team is on the improvement curve, or does he just not like Jagr? Who knows?
I wouldn't say it's a bad move to not sign him. I never said that. Just obviously I don't see it as a bad move to do it either. You said not signing him was "on the right track". I merely suggested it wouldn't be so bad and has positives.

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RIP Keven, another one gone too soon

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RIP Keven, another one gone too soon
Hey keven, continue come ca.

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Too early to judge, Timmins did a good job with the picks but right now Gauthier deserves the credit for this team. We will see if the coaches can run with the ball.

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The Pacioretty contract and Timmins' continued employment are great.

Other than that, I don't see that MB has a clear plan. I'm still not sure if we're rebuilding or trying to win now. I don't see a full commitment towards either.

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I'm happy with the signings and glad to see the Habs prospects will gain a years experience and develop that much sooner to the NHL when it's playing.All in all the lockout won't stop the Habs from winning a SC and will be better for the lockout season(s).Watching the Hamilton Bulldogs playing and learning will be a pleasant alternative to seeing the Habs have another early exit from the NHL playoffs.

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Can't forget the non-signing of Jagr when he explicitly said mtl was his first choice. Didn't like that either.
Meh that would have been a Gauthier/Gainey-type move of patching up. It doesn't make the team better. I think Bergevin is in this for the long haul, no short-term quick fixes.

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Too early to judge, Timmins did a good job with the picks but right now Gauthier deserves the credit for this team. We will see if the coaches can run with the ball.
Considering how terrible we ended, I don't think anyone wants credit.

The drafting of our young core was during gainey's era anyway, it's long past that now anyway.

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Do you see him signing elsewheer? Not by the hair on your chinny chin chin.

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Meh that would have been a Gauthier/Gainey-type move of patching up. It doesn't make the team better. I think Bergevin is in this for the long haul, no short-term quick fixes.
Actually, Gauthier made the same decision as Bergevin in regards to Jagr last year and got **** for the non-signing despite having brought in Cole instead.

As for Bergevin not looking for short-term fixes, he was willing to overpay for an old Shane Doan on a longer-term. Shane Doan isn't a long term solution at his age.

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- Sign Subban or trade him without getting screwed like McDonagh #2
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