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Bryce Aneloski 18 40.00%
Louie Caporusso 10 22.22%
Jack Downing 1 2.22%
Brad Peltz 4 8.89%
Wacey Hamilton 12 26.67%
Jeff Costello 0 0%
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09-16-2012, 06:00 PM
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Sens Prospect Rankings:

1. Jakob Silfverberg F (Brynäs IF, SEL) 52.60%
2. Mika Zibanejad F (Djurgården IF, SEL) 62.79%
3. Robin Lehner G (Binghamton Senators, AHL) 80.95%
4. Mark Stone F (Brandon Wheat Kings, WHL) 54.86%
5. Cody Ceci D (Ottawa 67's, OHL) 58.47%
6. Stefan Noesen F (Plymouth Whalers, OHL) 88.14%
7. Matt Puempel F (Peterborough Petes, OHL)33.81%
8. Shane Prince F (Ottawa 67s, OHL) 46.15%
9. Mark Borowiecki D (Binghamton Senators, AHL)32.09%
10. Stephane Da Costa F (Binghamton Senators, AHL)38.24%
11. Mike Hoffman F (Binghamton Senators, AHL) 45.00%
12. Andre Petersson F (Binghamton Senators, AHL) 27.83%
13. Jim O'Brien F (Ottawa Senators, NHL)40.34%
14. Patrick Wiercioch D (Binghamton Senators, AHL) 67.47%
15. Jean-Gabriel Pageau F (Chicoutimi Sagueneens, QMJHL) 41.67%
16. Jarrod Maidens F (Owen Sound Attack, OHL)43.81%
17. Fredrik Claesson D (Djurgården IF, SEL) 43.90%
18. Derek Grant F (Binghamton Senators, AHL) 40.00%
19. Eric Gryba D (Binghamton Senators, AHL) 55.56%
20. Nikita Filatov F (Salavat Yulaev, KHL) 33.71%
21. Darren Kramer F (Spokane Chiefs, WHL)29.58%
22. Jakub Culek F (Rimouski Oceanic, QMJHL)52.00%
23. Ben Blood D (U. of North Dakota, NCAA)31.34%
24. Chris Wideman D (Miami University, NCAA)37.31%
25. Chris Driedger G CAN (Calgary Hitmen, WHL)42.86%
26. David Dziurzynski F CAN (Binghamton Senators, AHL) 33.33%
27. Michael Sdao D USA (Princeton University, NCAA) 28.77%
28. Robbie Baillargeon F USA (Indiana Ice, USHL) 21.57%
29. Francois Brassard G CAN (Québec Remparts, QMJHL) 48.72%
30. Mikael Wikstrand D SWE (Mora IK J20, J20 SuperElit)56.25%
31. Ryan Dzingel F USA (Ohio State University, NCAA) 26.92%
32. Timothy Boyle D USA (Noble & Greenough School, USHS) 72.73%
33. Pat Cannone F USA (Binghamton Senators, AHL) 23.81%
34. Max McCormick F USA (Ohio State University, NCAA) 67.57%
35. Cole Schneider F USA (Binghamton Senators, AHL) 56.25%
36. Corey Cowick F CAN (Binghamton Senators, AHL) 52.38%
37. Jordan Fransoo D CAN (Victoria Royals, WHL) 45.83%

Senators Prospects Top 40 (2011) + Past Rankings:
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lol, it's Caporusso at this point, come on.

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lol, it's Caporusso at this point, come on.
you come on man

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Accidentally voted Wacey instead of Caporusso.

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http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...php?pid=103716

Note the stats Caporusso put up in the NCAA. Outscored by only Carl Hagelin 09/10, 10/11, despite Hagelin being a year older. Consistently in the top 2/3 of his team.

So...we write him off completely because of a bad first pro year and yet we'll put a guy in the NCAA above him just for kicks?

Pretty much sums up the HF way of looking at prospects - ie. the shinier and new the prospect, the better.

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Called it in an earlier thread.

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http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...php?pid=103716

Note the stats Caporusso put up in the NCAA. Outscored by only Carl Hagelin 09/10, 10/11, despite Hagelin being a year older. Consistently in the top 2/3 of his team.

So...we write him off completely because of a bad first pro year and yet we'll put a guy in the NCAA above him just for kicks?

Pretty much sums up the HF way of looking at prospects - ie. the shinier and new the prospect, the better.
No, we write him off because he is 23 and can't crack the AHL, and he's done nothing but regress the past few seasons.

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No, we write him off because he is 23 and can't crack the AHL, and he's done nothing but regress the past few seasons.
Age isn't everything. People put too much stock in that around here.

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Age isn't everything. People put too much stock in that around here.

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well, I don't see his stint in the ECHL

Greening proved to be an NHLer in his first pro season, not exactly a good comparison

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No, we write him off because he is 23 and can't crack the AHL, and he's done nothing but regress the past few seasons.
He's 23 because he did all four years of NCAA. He has one year of pro experience under his belt...all of 13 games in the AHL.

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He's 23 because he did all four years of NCAA. He has one year of pro experience under his belt...all of 13 games in the AHL.
And he's so far away from the NHL, he can't see the finish line.

Name an NHLer who was in the ECHL at age 23. Bet you can't find 3.

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well, I don't see his stint in the ECHL

Greening proved to be an NHLer in his first pro season, not exactly a good comparison
All I was arguing was age. Greening made the NHL at what, 25? He was a nobody pick in the 7th round. Anything can happen.

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Arguing over the 38th prospect spot seems... Well not really that important.

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And he's so far away from the NHL, he can't see the finish line.

Name an NHLer who was in the ECHL at age 23. Bet you can't find 3.
http://www.echl.com/aliu-becomes-490...ch-nhl-p176990

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Arguing over the 38th prospect spot seems... Well not really that important.
And to that point, I voted Downing just to spite this poll being at #38.

Should have been done 8 picks ago...

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Hamilton

Called it in an earlier thread.
Costello has to be in the top-40, instead of Hamilton IMO


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He's 23 because he did all four years of NCAA. He has one year of pro experience under his belt...all of 13 games in the AHL.
Good point.

You're arguing the wall though

I'm not high on Caporusso anymore because I see too many better Sens forward prospects with more size and/or skill. IMO, he has no chance to crack this team. Maybe somewhere else someday

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He asked for 3 though... not 490
Good god you're dense. My point stands. Those are 490 that played at least 1 game in the ECHL.
-they weren't necessarily 23 or older
-they weren't necessarily ECHL regulars

Of course you this know this and are just trying to stir ****

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Good god you're dense. My point stands. Those are 490 that played at least 1 game in the ECHL.
-they weren't necessarily 23 or older
-they weren't necessarily ECHL regulars

Of course you this know this and are just trying to stir ****
Fine, be a smartass:

Kris Barch was 25/26 when he suited up for the Greenville Grrrowl of the ECHL. Became an NHL regular with Dallas and now Florida.

Paul Bissonnette was 23 when he played with the Wheeling Nailers of the ECHL. Now a 4th liner in Phoenix, sure, but still an NHLer.

Francis Bouillon was 23 in his only season with the ECHL's Wheeling Nailers.

A bonus few, just because I know you'll claim small sample size:

Alex Burrows, turned 23 near the tail end of his final season as an ECHL regular with the Columbia Inferno.

Dan Bylsma played two seasons after turning 23 with the ECHL's Greensboro Monarchs.

David Desharnais, 23, Cincinnati Cyclones.

Matt Ellis, 23, Toledo Storm.

Any other baseless arguments you'd like refuted?

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Fine, be a smartass:

Kris Barch was 25/26 when he suited up for the Greenville Grrrowl of the ECHL. Became an NHL regular with Dallas and now Florida.

Paul Bissonnette was 23 when he played with the Wheeling Nailers of the ECHL. Now a 4th liner in Phoenix, sure, but still an NHLer.

Francis Bouillon was 23 in his only season with the ECHL's Wheeling Nailers.

A bonus few, just because I know you'll claim small sample size:

Alex Burrows, turned 23 near the tail end of his final season as an ECHL regular with the Columbia Inferno.

Dan Bylsma played two seasons after turning 23 with the ECHL's Greensboro Monarchs.

David Desharnais, 23, Cincinnati Cyclones.

Matt Ellis, 23, Toledo Storm.

Any other baseless arguments you'd like refuted?

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All I was arguing was age. Greening made the NHL at what, 25? He was a nobody pick in the 7th round. Anything can happen.
Could argue Greening making the NHL was circumstantial. We were blowing up the roster and needed bodies. Greening was in the organization at the right time to get that opportunity. Caporusso's entering the organization when we've got relatively set lines and much more depth to the farm and prospect pool. The odds of him progressing into the NHL are reduced comparatively.

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And he's so far away from the NHL, he can't see the finish line.

Name an NHLer who was in the ECHL at age 23. Bet you can't find 3.
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Good god you're dense. My point stands. Those are 490 that played at least 1 game in the ECHL.
-they weren't necessarily 23 or older
-they weren't necessarily ECHL regulars

Of course you this know this and are just trying to stir ****
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Fine, be a smartass:

Kris Barch was 25/26 when he suited up for the Greenville Grrrowl of the ECHL. Became an NHL regular with Dallas and now Florida.

Paul Bissonnette was 23 when he played with the Wheeling Nailers of the ECHL. Now a 4th liner in Phoenix, sure, but still an NHLer.

Francis Bouillon was 23 in his only season with the ECHL's Wheeling Nailers.

A bonus few, just because I know you'll claim small sample size:

Alex Burrows, turned 23 near the tail end of his final season as an ECHL regular with the Columbia Inferno.

Dan Bylsma played two seasons after turning 23 with the ECHL's Greensboro Monarchs.

David Desharnais, 23, Cincinnati Cyclones.

Matt Ellis, 23, Toledo Storm.

Any other baseless arguments you'd like refuted?


This totally reminded me of this:

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Could argue Greening making the NHL was circumstantial. We were blowing up the roster and needed bodies. Greening was in the organization at the right time to get that opportunity. Caporusso's entering the organization when we've got relatively set lines and much more depth to the farm and prospect pool. The odds of him progressing into the NHL are reduced comparatively.
I agree. As I said, I was only arguing age.

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Fine, be a smartass:

Kris Barch was 25/26 when he suited up for the Greenville Grrrowl of the ECHL. Became an NHL regular with Dallas and now Florida.

Paul Bissonnette was 23 when he played with the Wheeling Nailers of the ECHL. Now a 4th liner in Phoenix, sure, but still an NHLer.

Francis Bouillon was 23 in his only season with the ECHL's Wheeling Nailers.

A bonus few, just because I know you'll claim small sample size:

Alex Burrows, turned 23 near the tail end of his final season as an ECHL regular with the Columbia Inferno.

Dan Bylsma played two seasons after turning 23 with the ECHL's Greensboro Monarchs.

David Desharnais, 23, Cincinnati Cyclones.

Matt Ellis, 23, Toledo Storm.

Any other baseless arguments you'd like refuted?
Loui Caporusso (Cap) was born on June 29th 1989. He was a full time ECHL player in 2011-12 (starting season at 22, ending at 23)
Now,


Barch had already played a couple a seasons in the AHL before playing one season full time in the ECHL, which happened to be the lockout year where he lost his job to an NHLer. Already proven AHLer at that point, and playing ECHL because of lockout. WRONG

In Bissonette's equivalent 22 year old season (2007-08), he played MORE AHL games than ECHL games. Established in the AHL. WRONG

Bouillon played 1 season in the ECHL straight out of junior. He was much younger than Cap. WRONG

Burrows was one I knew was an exception, which is why I said 3 instead of 1. Burrows played his last season in the ECHL in his 22 year old season, the one Cap just had. Then he made the jump to the AHL. Will Cap make the jump this year to the AHL? No. Count: 1

Bylsma: Meant current players, but OK. Count: 2 players ALL TIME have done what Cap needs to do to make it.

Desharnais: Not old enough. Was never 23 in ECHL. It's called Math. He was 21. Not close. Young people know how to count. WRONG

Matt Ellis: Too young. Was his first season out of junior. WRONG




So you found 2 players all time that did it. Both made the jump to the AHL rigght after, so Caporusso would need to make the jump this season. The other 2 closest, Barch and Bissonette, are enforcers. Is Cap an enforcer? Cap is 5'9 and much smaller than Burrows and Bylsma.

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