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François Allaire will not return as goalie coach for the Toronto Maple Leafs

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09-17-2012, 10:54 AM
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So whos the next best goalie coach out there we could get?

Also I know probably half the fans on here want Burke fired so who is the best GM out there we could get?

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@RenLavoieRDS and his middle initial reported this morning that Francois Allaire is leaving Maple Leafs. Rick St. Croix among possible...

replacements, but wonder if Toronto will consider Andy Nowicki. He was James Reimer's guru and did a great job with him.
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09-17-2012, 10:56 AM
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Burkie's big mouth has let him down again. Best goalie coach on the planet? Now he is letting him go 3 years later. Or is Allaire retiring?
Wouldn't it have been appropriate to answer your second question prior to your Burke rant?

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09-17-2012, 11:00 AM
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Francois Allaire confirms he's left the #Leafs: "I didn't feel like I could do my job last year." More to come.

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09-17-2012, 11:02 AM
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Looks like the results do matter after all.

Leafs finished 29th overall in goals against last season, and near the bottom in all Allaire seasons in Toronto. A lightning rod for valid criticism. Goaltending is critical to NHL success, so this is a position that requires results.

How will we even know he is gone, unless the new guy shows better on ice results and gets praised for the work?.

I admire Allaire for falling on his own sword and accepting accountability for his body of work.

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09-17-2012, 11:05 AM
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No, Toronto's idiot demograph let the Leafs down. No other city ever thought to put any blame on the goalie coach before. As if Allaire was the reason the guys on the ice couldn't get the job done. I bet a lot of people don't even know what a goalie coach does.
The media not the fans.

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09-17-2012, 11:07 AM
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Leafs finished 29th overall in goals against last season, and near the bottom in all Allaire seasons in Toronto. A lightning rod for valid criticism. Goaltending is critical to NHL success, so this is a position that requires results.
Is that why 1/3 of NHL teams don't even employ a goalie coach?


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The media not the fans.
The idiot reporters and their readers that keep them in business.

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Looks like the results do matter after all.

Leafs finished 29th overall in goals against last season, and near the bottom in all Allaire seasons in Toronto. A lightning rod for valid criticism. Goaltending is critical to NHL success, so this is a position that requires results.

How will we even know he is gone, unless the new guy shows better on ice results and gets praised for the work?.
Good point.


Interesting that apparently he didn't want the pressure of criticism with 2 young goaltenders for a season... either he dislikes the spotlight entirely, or he has zero confidence in our goalies and is just saving himself a season of hard criticism.

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09-17-2012, 11:08 AM
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This thread title needs to be changed to "Leafs Need a New Scapegoat"

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Good point.


Interesting that apparently he didn't want the pressure of criticism with 2 young goaltenders for a season... either he dislikes the spotlight entirely, or he has zero confidence in our goalies and is just saving himself a season of hard criticism.
But what would people say if Reimer and Scrivens do better without him?

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09-17-2012, 11:09 AM
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Wouldn't it have been appropriate to answer your second question prior to your Burke rant?
Come on, I did not mean it like that. But if you want to think of my post as an attack on Burke, fine. I do not have to like him.

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09-17-2012, 11:12 AM
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I love Cujo, but what would the Cujo school of goaltending be? "Have the fastest reflexes on the planet, and just stop everything?"
Yeah I get what you are saying, but at this level, what can you teach a Goalie that they don't already know.

To me being a Goaltending coach is more mental than technique once you get to this level. Other than that, the coach points to things you can work on.

You don't really want to reinvent the wheel during the season, much like golfing. You think too much and you are in a world of trouble.

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Maybe they should hire Greg Millen then at least he would be off the airwaves.

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Is that why 1/3 of NHL teams don't even employ a goalie coach?




The idiot reporters and their readers that keep them in business.
The only coach I wanted gone was Wilson. I did not like the way the media went after Allaire.

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09-17-2012, 11:18 AM
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But what would people say if Reimer and Scrivens do better without him?

The proof is the proof is the proof.

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Maybe they should hire Greg Millen then at least he would be off the airwaves.
Assistant to the Goalie Coach?

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Good point.


Interesting that apparently he didn't want the pressure of criticism with 2 young goaltenders for a season... either he dislikes the spotlight entirely, or he has zero confidence in our goalies and is just saving himself a season of hard criticism.
Who would know best, that playing with 2 young goalies with less than 100 NHL games experienced combined is a potential formula for disaster better than the goalie coach?.

The writing is on the wall, and with no veteran goalie reinforcements coming in as was promised, this is now a situation which opens the goalie coach to more criticism as its setting him up for failure rather than success.

Allaire might have been the one pushing hardest internally for help and when he didn't get it, has decide to pull the pin himself.

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Yeah I get what you are saying, but at this level, what can you teach a Goalie that they don't already know.

To me being a Goaltending coach is more mental than technique once you get to this level. Other than that, the coach points to things you can work on.

You don't really want to reinvent the wheel during the season, much like golfing. You think too much and you are in a world of trouble.
100% agree.

I believe you can work on technique in the off season, not much during. If you get inside your own head, those 100 mile an hour pucks are going in.

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Who would know best, that playing with 2 young goalies with less than 100 NHL games experienced combined is a potential formula for disaster better than the goalie coach?.

The writing is on the wall, and with no veteran goalie reinforcements coming in as was promised, this is now a situation which opens the goalie coach to more criticism as its setting him up for failure rather than success.

Allaire might have been the one pushing hardest internally for help and when he didn't get it, has decide to pull the pin himself.
Guess Allaire does not believe in "play the kids".

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Well there goes our monopoly on signing free agent goaltending prospects.
So who exactly are we missing out on? We've had the monopoly supposedly for a few years and we've used it to sign a bunch of guys we can't wait to replace. It might have been a monopoly, but it was totally Baltic Avenue.

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@RenLavoieRDS and his middle initial reported this morning that Francois Allaire is leaving Maple Leafs. Rick St. Croix among possible...

replacements, but wonder if Toronto will consider Andy Nowicki. He was James Reimer's guru and did a great job with him.
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Knowing Burke, he probably wont, unless he doesnt have a friend thats a goalie coach.

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So who exactly are we missing out on? We've had the monopoly supposedly for a few years and we've used it to sign a bunch of guys we can't wait to replace. It might have been a monopoly, but it was totally Baltic Avenue.
I think also in the last 3-5 years there's been an emergence of some really quality goaltending coaches to compete with the likes of Allaire. It hasn't been a one-horse race for years IMO...

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Too bad it didn't work. He seems to be a very good coach for certain types of players. Gus probably needed more of a general mentor for his first season in the NHL, someone who had been through the same process of coming from a European ice surface to North America and excelled. He may have made Reimers glove hand weaker with that Glove as Blocker theory. I seem to remember him having a good glove in his first years as a pro.

Regardless, probably time for a change. At this point even a few wise words from a veteran would suffice.


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Thank god. Was tired of watching our goalies play the percentages and get beaten over the glove hand every time. Hopefully we some improvement in Reimer this year!

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I just saw Glen Healy running towards the ACC?

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