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09-16-2012, 09:19 PM
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Leddy is a 4/5 right now, getting much better, upside is 3; Subban is a low end 3, potential to be a 2.
I see some really don't watch the game much.
Subban is a # 1 as we speak with lots of upside.
To anyony claiming that Leddy is better than P.K. especially defensively.

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09-16-2012, 09:21 PM
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Leddy is a 4/5 right now, getting much better, upside is 3; Subban is a low end 3, potential to be a 2.
That's right.

What if I told you Subban > Seabrook ?

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09-16-2012, 10:06 PM
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Subban is one of the most overrated players in the NHL. ****, at least Leddy doesn't run for the bench during an odd man rush.
You're the one that made the deal. We don't want to trade him, what's so complicated?

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09-16-2012, 11:22 PM
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Leddy is a 4/5 right now, getting much better, upside is 3; Subban is a low end 3, potential to be a 2.
Ladies and gentlemen, we are watching the death of credibility here. Please take a minute of silence as we mourn it's loss...or die laughing at it.

At WORST, Subban would rank in the 20-30 range as a defenceman in the NHL. That places him in a top pairing role, meaning either a #1 or a #2. If Subban is so terrible why do you want him so badly? Never mind, you actually lost all credibility with this post. It would be so much simpler if baseball fans stopped talking about hockey players' values.

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09-17-2012, 09:50 AM
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God, this guy is so overrated. He's barely even a plus player for his career and has never played top pairing minutes, yet he is a bonafide #1? Why are his minutes so low for a #1?

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09-17-2012, 10:07 AM
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God, this guy is so overrated. He's barely even a plus player for his career and has never played top pairing minutes, yet he is a bonafide #1? Why are his minutes so low for a #1?
What... http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.h...Name=timeOnIce

You do know who PK Subban is right? #76. Plays for the Montreal Canadiens...... in the National Hockey League.

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09-17-2012, 10:37 AM
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What... http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.h...Name=timeOnIce

You do know who PK Subban is right? #76. Plays for the Montreal Canadiens...... in the National Hockey League.
Yeah, and I've never seen the guy as a No. 1 in the games I've watched, AINEC. Not sure what you guys are seeing. How does he compare to Chelios? That was a legit No. 1.

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09-17-2012, 10:56 AM
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Right now Subban is a great number 2 or an okay number 1, who still has upside to be a great number 1.

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09-17-2012, 11:05 AM
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Yeah, and I've never seen the guy as a No. 1 in the games I've watched, AINEC. Not sure what you guys are seeing. How does he compare to Chelios? That was a legit No. 1.
You are just looking for a reaction from the Habs fans because you know how passionate they are.

Everything you have posted makes no sense.


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09-17-2012, 11:16 AM
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Glad you guys like the guy, I think he is grossly overrated. But it sounds like you guys think you have a corner stone D, we know you think you have a Selke center and star goalie....which I agree on the last two....but we should see you guys win more games with that kind of star power.

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09-17-2012, 11:36 AM
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Glad you guys like the guy, I think he is grossly overrated. But it sounds like you guys think you have a corner stone D, we know you think you have a Selke center and star goalie....which I agree on the last two....but we should see you guys win more games with that kind of star power.
3 Players do not make up a team.

Do you really think No.1-2 dman, a good No. 2 center and a good young goalie is all a team needs to win games?

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09-17-2012, 11:43 AM
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3 Players do not make up a team.

Do you really think No.1-2 dman, a good No. 2 center and a good young goalie is all a team needs to win games?
No, but you just highlighted precisely why MTL-CHI proposals are so enticing to Hawk fans.

If we could somehow merge our teams, we would be unstoppable.


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09-17-2012, 11:49 AM
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it sounds like you guys think you have a corner stone D, we know you think you have a Selke center and star goalie....which I agree on the last two....but we should see you guys win more games with that kind of star power.
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Do you really think No.1-2 dman, a good No. 2 center and a good young goalie is all a team needs to win games?
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Obviously not
Then would you care to explain what was meant by your comment above if not solely to insult Hab fans?

BTW I have posted a couple times in this thread and have followed it from the start, so yes, I have read your posts.

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09-17-2012, 11:50 AM
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i'm not a fan of Montreal, but that return sucks on both Subban and Plek

I'd almost think Plek is worth that a lone, and i hate the habs.

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09-17-2012, 12:32 PM
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That's right.

What if I told you Subban > Seabrook ?
Then you'd be wrong.

That said, Subban is much, much better than coldsteel is giving him credit for.

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09-17-2012, 12:52 PM
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Right now Subban is a great number 2 or an okay number 1, who still has upside to be a great number 1.
Pretty much how I feel. He'd be a #3 on some team though. For instance if he were in Nashville last year he'd be 3rd.

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09-17-2012, 01:12 PM
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Pretty much how I feel. He'd be a #3 on some team though. For instance if he were in Nashville last year he'd be 3rd.
Behind Weber and who?

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09-17-2012, 01:24 PM
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Behind Weber and who?
I think you know what he meant.

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09-17-2012, 01:48 PM
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I think you know what he meant.
I didn't, I JUST noticed the "last year" part, kind of an important detail

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09-17-2012, 02:06 PM
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God, this guy is so overrated. He's barely even a plus player for his career and has never played top pairing minutes, yet he is a bonafide #1? Why are his minutes so low for a #1?
Try again. Subban played 25 second less per game than Seabrook. He was 15th or 18th depending upon whether you looked at average ToI or total ToI. Those are top 2 pairing numbers. Also, just ome food for thought to help your "analysis", Subban was one of ONLY 15 NHL defencemen to get 30+ points, 100+ hits, 100+ blocked shots, and play over 24 minutes per game against opposing teams' best lines. He did all this in just his second season in the league, and still improved his +\- to +9 on a team that finished poorly.

So, "yes" he IS a bona fide #1. His minutes are NOT low, and he has shown steady development since joining the NHL. That is why people are so high on him. Please, next time, try to know something about a player before trashing him. "Why are his minutes so low?"...

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09-17-2012, 02:14 PM
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Yeah, and I've never seen the guy as a No. 1 in the games I've watched, AINEC. Not sure what you guys are seeing. How does he compare to Chelios? That was a legit No. 1.
Dude shame on you... first of all just because you've never seen him as a No. 1 doesn't mean that...

I have seen myself as the next Malkin................I can pass and play like him exactly...I've seen it...

How do you compare a 22 year old to Chris Chelios...

In fact name me ten defensemen better than Chris Chelios right now...What bull

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Behind Weber and who?
Suter

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Suter
Suter was a product of Weber. Suter is good, but not as good as people think. When Weber went down, Suter was not able to pick it up and actually showed some flaws. Man, I could only imagine what P.K. could do with Weber as his defensive partner!!! I was one of the few who absolutely did NOT want Suter at that $7.5 mil cost! The Wild paid extraordinary money for a good defenceman. I think they will regret his half of the signing in the long term.

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That's right.

What if I told you Subban > Seabrook ?
I love Subban, but he is not better than Seabrook...yet.

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Suter was a product of Weber. Suter is good, but not as good as people think. When Weber went down, Suter was not able to pick it up and actually showed some flaws. Man, I could only imagine what P.K. could do with Weber as his defensive partner!!! I was one of the few who absolutely did NOT want Suter at that $7.5 mil cost! The Wild paid extraordinary money for a good defenceman. I think they will regret his half of the signing in the long term.
I don't know who you watched, but Suter played very well without Weber. Arguably better than Weber played without Suter.

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