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09-17-2012, 12:39 AM
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He can agitate all he wants, but if he's not putting up points in the juniors, he's not going to amount to much.
Not true at all. And it's only his rookie year..

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09-17-2012, 10:14 AM
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And more importantly, the season hasn't even started yet.

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Folks I gotta ask between the two, who is better viewed among you prospect gurus, Tedenby or Josefson.

I personally think Josefson but I am not sure with his injuries but I thought I'd ask the devils board.

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Folks I gotta ask between the two, who is better viewed among you prospect gurus, Tedenby or Josefson.

I personally think Josefson but I am not sure with his injuries but I thought I'd ask the devils board.
Josefson, by a country mile.

He's better right now, better potential, higher ceiling, and a center too.

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Josefson, by a country mile.

He's better right now, better potential, higher ceiling, and a center too.
Thank you for clearing it up, in his offensive skill which is his greatest asset though? Playmaking, Hockey sense or just a knack for being in front of the net?

Also what really happened to tedenby this guy was oozing quite a bit of potential when I remember you guys drafted him

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09-17-2012, 12:30 PM
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Thank you for clearing it up, in his offensive skill which is his greatest asset though? Playmaking, Hockey sense or just a knack for being in front of the net?

Also what really happened to tedenby this guy was oozing quite a bit of potential when I remember you guys drafted him
Josefson has great vision. Playmaking, hockey sense, all of that. He just 'gets' the Devils system and fits right in the right places and the right time. He's got some speed, some finesse, but it's a very mental game he plays. The obvious flaw is that he breaks a lot. His biggest upside to me is that he makes the right choices without the puck. Follow a guy around the rink when he's not carrying the puck and you really see what kind of player they are.

Tedenby has a flashy skill set. Very flashy. He's incredibly quick, not afraid of the gritty areas. But he doesn't "get it". His defensive side is pretty bad and he just can't figure out the right things to do with out the puck. And considering how much of the game is played without the puck... He plays in the A a lot.

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Not true at all. And it's only his rookie year..
What isn't true about that. What NHL player that isn't a bottom line guy has played junior hockey and not put up at least a PPG.

And it wasn't a judgment on how Matteau will develop, just a $.02 chime-in about how great it would be to have a Brashear err tough guy on our team.

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What isn't true about that. What NHL player that isn't a bottom line guy has played junior hockey and not put up at least a PPG.

And it wasn't a judgment on how Matteau will develop, just a $.02 chime-in about how great it would be to have a Brashear err tough guy on our team.
Uhhhh....

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Lucic's first year in the WHL...19 pts in 62 games. He then put up 68 in 70.

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What isn't true about that. What NHL player that isn't a bottom line guy has played junior hockey and not put up at least a PPG.
David Clarkson

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Uhhhh....
What are the ages there because i'm looking at 68 points in 70 games and thats essentially PPG. Matteau doesn't have the size of Lucic either and that counts for something.

Clarkson is a 3rd liner and went undrafted. But even with that strange stat-line he has put up goals fairly well.

Maybe I'm looking at Matteau a year too old in comparison to other stats? I'll check later.

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Thank you for clearing it up, in his offensive skill which is his greatest asset though? Playmaking, Hockey sense or just a knack for being in front of the net?

Also what really happened to tedenby this guy was oozing quite a bit of potential when I remember you guys drafted him
Josefson's playmaking and hockey sense are both good, but the reason Lemaire loved him is his defence, which is incredibly polished for such a young player. Josefson could definitely benefit from shooting more, his shot is good, but underused, because he generally looks pass first.

Tedenby is still a promising prospect, he's just lost some of the confidence that made him successful before. He's not shooting enough, and his defensive play still needs work.

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What are the ages there because i'm looking at 68 points in 70 games and thats essentially PPG. Matteau doesn't have the size of Lucic either and that counts for something.

Clarkson is a 3rd liner and went undrafted. But even with that strange stat-line he has put up goals fairly well.

Maybe I'm looking at Matteau a year too old in comparison to other stats? I'll check later.
You are looking wayyy too much into junior stats

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While there are some players who are largely unspectacular in junior and progress well once they hit the pros, they are few and far between. The vast majority of solid offensive contributors in the NHL were very good junior scorers.

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You are looking wayyy too much into junior stats
He's not, though. Turns out adjusted (adjusted for age mainly) PPG in juniors is an extremely good predictor of NHL success.

The list of gritty forwards who were drafted for their physical skillset who tanked after they didn't put up points in juniors is very, very long.

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He's not, though. Turns out adjusted (adjusted for age mainly) PPG in juniors is an extremely good predictor of NHL success.

The list of gritty forwards who were drafted for their physical skillset who tanked after they didn't put up points in juniors is very, very long.
You can keep looking at your numbers. I'm not going to judge Matteau's future because of other people's junior stats.

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You can keep looking at your numbers. I'm not going to judge Matteau's future because of other people's junior stats.
No one is saying that you should judge Matteau solely on his junior stats, however it's important to be cognizant of how players typically progress from juniors to the NHL. There are very few top nine players in the NHL who weren't good scorers at the junior level.

Basically, there are way more Colton Gillies' than Milan Lucic's. While Mattaeu brings more than just points, if he's not putting up close to a PPG in the Q by his second year, I'll be concerned.

I feel like a good comp for Matteau is a former prospect of ours, Patrice Cormier.

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He's not, though. Turns out adjusted (adjusted for age mainly) PPG in juniors is an extremely good predictor of NHL success.

The list of gritty forwards who were drafted for their physical skillset who tanked after they didn't put up points in juniors is very, very long.
I would hug you.

Whens the junior season start?

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I would hug you.

Whens the junior season start?
Handful of teams start on Thursday, most are starting on Friday. Friend was joking about having an OHL fantasy league.

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Handful of teams start on Thursday, most are starting on Friday. Friend was joking about having an OHL fantasy league.
I'm down.

Pretty excited to start watching games, even if it is junior stuff.

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Not sure why we're arguing about Matteau's junior stats, when he doesn't have any yet.

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Not sure why we're arguing about Matteau's junior stats, when he doesn't have any yet.
Exactly. Wtf...

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I'm not worried about him, the points will come.

Pretty cool to see Black and Scarlett both at a P/G pace, even if it's just preseason.
I'm still standing by my prediction that Scarlett might put up even better numbers this fall. Like 60-65 point range. I just wrapped up my WHL Eastern Conference Preview and after some research, I'm starting to think that Swift Current should stand a good chance to make the post-season this year. After Edmonton, Calgary and Saskatoon, it's pretty wide open. Swift Current and Prince Albert look to be the wildcards to keep an eye on.

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See, if Matteau scored five goals in five preseason games, people would be clammoring that it was "beginner's luck" or something.

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But he didn't so he must not have any luck.

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See, if Matteau scored five goals in five preseason games, people would be clammoring that it was "beginner's luck" or something.
I don't know, with this place? If Matteau had 5 in 5, we'd probably be declaring him a superstar already.

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