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09-17-2012, 01:12 PM
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Can you explain that?
Lots of people with keener eyes that mine, picked up the fact that Reimer played a very different style of goaltending last year compared to the solid run he put together the year before when he carried us on the run to the playoffs.

It was suggested (and I believe quoted by Reimer in non-malicious circumstances) that Allaire had a huge influence on Reimer's change of style, which ultimately made him a worse goalie last year compared to the guy that came in on January 1st the year before and looked like the real deal.

Ultimately the consensus is that Reimer was prevented from playing his own natural style in net, because Allaire wouldn't let him.

Hope that clarifies that comment

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09-17-2012, 01:14 PM
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Didn't Allaire say that Reimer will be great? So according to his own words he does have something to work with here
Could be wrong here - but he said that at this time last year didn't he? Right after camp started?

Pretty much when everyone was banking on Reimer to be the real deal?

Also - what the hell else would you expect a coach to say about his player? "Oh, I don't think he's going to be all that... but hey, I have to still work with him for an entire year and me saying that won't make anything awkward now will it?"

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09-17-2012, 01:15 PM
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whoever is his replacement cant do any worse.

its true that allaire has worked with several great goaltenders but realistically was he actually the difference in them achieving greatness? i can see the aguement on both sides but im pretty sure roy would still have been one of the greatest goalies of all time.

im inclined to believe that the mediocre goalie benefits more from an above average coach then an exceptional goalie. the mediocre goalie is the one with much more room for improvement. look at the situation in pheonix, an above average coach with a mediocre roster and they still are able to look respectable every season? why is that? another example is st louis, they werent doing too hot until they switched coaches, same like LA.

im also not convinced that allaire is in fact an above average goalie coach. its easy to claim credit when you have the priveledge of working with goalies like luongo, roy, giggy, etc, etc but greatness would have been if he could turn reimer or gus into something respectable.

i wish him the best in where ever he ends up next but im not sold that he is the mesiah of goalie coaching.

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09-17-2012, 01:17 PM
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Allaire is pretty classless, points the blame at anyone but himself and just basically up and leaves and says **** off.

Good riddance, hated seeing our goalies constantly on their knees and pucks going over their shoulders, the game has changed you idiotic french baboon, players have enough skill to shoot the puck anywhere now...

He deserves all the hate he gets and more, I don't care if he's helped us sign all our unsuccessful FA's.

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09-17-2012, 01:20 PM
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Could be wrong here - but he said that at this time last year didn't he? Right after camp started?

Pretty much when everyone was banking on Reimer to be the real deal?

Also - what the hell else would you expect a coach to say about his player? "Oh, I don't think he's going to be all that... but hey, I have to still work with him for an entire year and me saying that won't make anything awkward now will it?"
I wouldn't except him to say anything else, no

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09-17-2012, 01:22 PM
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Could be wrong here - but he said that at this time last year didn't he? Right after camp started?

Pretty much when everyone was banking on Reimer to be the real deal?
http://sports.nationalpost.com/2012/...dnt-do-my-job/

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When asked of his relationship with Reimer, Jonas Gustavsson and the other goaltenders, Allaire was complimentary. There were no issues. Everyone listened, he said.

“James Reimer, the past two years that I worked with him, I was really happy with everything. He’s a great kid. He’s going to be a great goalie.”
Looks like he's saying that as he's leaving.

He's burning management bridges, but still okay with the actual talent. Seems he's point at off ice issues (off ice as in not the professionals getting paid to play the game).

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09-17-2012, 01:24 PM
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whoever is his replacement cant do any worse.
What about them asking Curtis Joseph if he wants that job. I realize he's doing that in Kingston but given the chance I'm sure he would take it.

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09-17-2012, 01:30 PM
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Guys who cares about Allaire, the Leafs changed their locker room and all the quotes inside of it!!!

Playoffs 2013 baby WOOO

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09-17-2012, 01:34 PM
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Whoever it is, I would like to have someone with a Leafs connection, I mean Poulin, Staios, Allaire had zero Leafs history when they came here. Why not link up some of the past with the new, I really think all the Goalies need is a mentor, whether this is Potvin, Belfour, Cujo to lean on, these guys should all be great mentors. They've been there, and they all have a unique outlook on what it takes to play in Toronto. Plus they have probably learned a lot from various Goalie coaches in the past.

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I used to think that Allaire may have been the problem with our Goal Tenders but Scrivens has this to say about him.

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“His system isn’t just, sit there and be motionless and hope pucks hit you,” says Scrivens. “People who say that are idiots. It’s like writing a book report on a book you’ve never read before and being forceful about your convictions. But again, you can have your opinion, and I can have the opinion that you’re an idiot.”
http://www.thestar.com/sports/leafs/...s-ben-scrivens

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09-17-2012, 01:36 PM
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Allaire is an elite goalie coach. For those who have never been goalies, who have never worked with him, for him, or been around him, seem to have a very difficult time understanding this. He has an exceptional understanding of both the mental and technical aspect of the game, and will end up with another NHL team. When you have multiple coaches working with a team's goalies, they need to all be on the same page on what is going on, or it will hinder the goalies performance, which i believe Allaire is leading to with his comments. I don't blame him for leaving, his work shouldn't be undermined by bringing out more people to work with the goalies in the system, they hired him for that sole purpose, and didn't use him to his full potential clearly if he was asking for more time with them.

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09-17-2012, 01:42 PM
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I used to think that Allaire may have been the problem with our Goal Tenders but Scrivens has this to say about him.



http://www.thestar.com/sports/leafs/...s-ben-scrivens
Thank you for posting this. I agree with Scrivens very much.

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09-17-2012, 01:55 PM
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What about them asking Curtis Joseph if he wants that job. I realize he's doing that in Kingston but given the chance I'm sure he would take it.
Cujo as a goalie coach makes about as much sense to me as Hasek would... some guys are great players but you'd never want them teaching your youngsters to play like they did.

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09-17-2012, 01:58 PM
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I used to think that Allaire may have been the problem with our Goal Tenders but Scrivens has this to say about him.



http://www.thestar.com/sports/leafs/...s-ben-scrivens
Scrivens obviously visits this board.

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09-17-2012, 02:02 PM
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Cujo as a goalie coach makes about as much sense to me as Hasek would... some guys are great players but you'd never want them teaching your youngsters to play like they did.
As the saying goes, "Those who can, do; those who can't, teach"... so maybe we should get Toskala to be the goaltending coach.

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09-17-2012, 02:10 PM
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Let's just take it as whatever happens, happens for good reason. If a player or coach or anybody affiliated with the team does not want to be here then it's better we move on and find someone who does.

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Guys who cares about Allaire, the Leafs changed their locker room and all the quotes inside of it!!!

Playoffs 2013 baby WOOO
That's probably one of the new quotes.

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09-17-2012, 02:17 PM
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Cujo as a goalie coach makes about as much sense to me as Hasek would... some guys are great players but you'd never want them teaching your youngsters to play like they did.
How about Billy Smith? Adds some truculence to the goaltending position with the hacking at the ankles.

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09-17-2012, 02:18 PM
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Let's just take it as whatever happens, happens for good reason. If a player or coach or anybody affiliated with the team does not want to be here then it's better we move on and find someone who does.
Or maybe we should start looking at the root problem as to why players/personnel do not want to play here *cough* Brian Burke

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Pretty hard to blame the goalie coach when the team in front of the goaltending was absolute **** defensively for the time he was here.

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Or maybe we should start looking at the root problem as to why players/personnel do not want to play here *cough* Brian Burke
I doubt that. The thing about Burke is that he is loyal to the core, hate him or not, you have to admire that about him. I think players and personnel know that. I remember Liles said that Burke was a big reasons why he resigned in Toronto. If there is a reason why "players/personnel do not want to play here", I'm sure it doesn't have much to do with Burke personally but more to do with the state of the team and/or the pressures of being in this market.

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How about Billy Smith? Adds some truculence to the goaltending position with the hacking at the ankles.
Or try to pluck Ron Hextall away from the Kings organization. If there's one former goaltender who can teach how to master the art of puck possession, it's him.

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Wasn't Francois leaving predicted like 4 months ago? I'm not really surprised. The guy took a lot of undeserved heat, and by undeserved heat I mean he was practically blamed for ruining these goalies...that's a bit much looking back on that now.

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Wasn't Francois leaving predicted like 4 months ago? I'm not really surprised. The guy took a lot of undeserved heat, and by undeserved heat I mean he was practically blamed for ruining these goalies...that's a bit much looking back on that now.
The only guy he didn't really have any success with at all was Gus. Well, Toskala. But nobody gives a **** about Toskala.

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