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09-17-2012, 02:42 PM
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Posters will see what they want to see, good or bad. I don't like AV's methods, systems, or really anything about his time as coach here, but I can't say he has had nothing to do with our successes. Even if he wins a cup, I still probably won't like him, but I'm more then happy to swallow our pride if our team continues to grow with his presence/interference.

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09-17-2012, 02:44 PM
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When you win, it's the players doing the work. When you lose, it's the coaches fault. That's how it's always been for most people unfortunately. The truth is probably somewhere in between. Thankfully, Canuck management is too smart to be sucked into this bizarre logic fallacy.

AV is the most successful coach in the history of this team. He's helped develop nearly all the core players on this roster and has overseen the Canucks rise to perennial contender status.

But again, the Canucks win in spite of him and lose because of him... some things will never change.

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09-17-2012, 05:32 PM
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^^ I'm surprised anyone can have that view while being on this forum.

When the Canucks lose, it's all AV's fault? Really???

Luongo (especially), Bieksa, the Sedins, Kesler, Ballard etc all get way more blame for losses than AV does.

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09-17-2012, 05:39 PM
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Luongo (especially), Bieksa, the Sedins, Kesler, Ballard etc all get way more blame for losses than AV does.
AV leaves Luongo in too long and should have been playing Schneider anyway

He plays Bieksa way too much and puts up with erratic play

AV doesn't use the Sedins properly

AV overplay's Kesler, leading to his injuries

AV doesn't use Ballard properly

No matter what player we're talking about, AV takes some heat.

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09-17-2012, 06:50 PM
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AV leaves Luongo in too long and should have been playing Schneider anyway

He plays Bieksa way too much and puts up with erratic play

AV doesn't use the Sedins properly

AV overplay's Kesler, leading to his injuries

AV doesn't use Ballard properly

No matter what player we're talking about, AV takes some heat.
I agree that he takes some heat. As he should.

But I took the first quote to be that he gets the MOST blame out of anyone...maybe that's not how it was meant, but if it is, then I strongly disagree.

And for every statement you just made,

Luongo sucks, Bieksa sucks, can Ballard do anything right? the Sedins are weak little pansies who don't stick up for themselves are all much more common statements throughout these boards...at least from what I can tell.

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09-17-2012, 07:04 PM
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When you win, it's the players doing the work. When you lose, it's the coaches fault. That's how it's always been for most people unfortunately. The truth is probably somewhere in between. Thankfully, Canuck management is too smart to be sucked into this bizarre logic fallacy.

AV is the most successful coach in the history of this team. He's helped develop nearly all the core players on this roster and has overseen the Canucks rise to perennial contender status.

But again, the Canucks win in spite of him and lose because of him... some things will never change.
Bang on. Same as it ever was. Coaches and goalies, and the five guys every year who are in the doghouse. Win a Stanley Cup and even a Dustin Penner is beloved. Don't, and half the fanbase think you suck.

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09-17-2012, 07:08 PM
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I am satisfied and impressed with AV as our coach.

He has done a better job that Crow another successful coach with the Canucks, at keeping his voice from being drowned out after many years. He's let his assistants have their own voice, which is hard for some head coaches to allow/nurture.

He is a very, very good coach all around.

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09-17-2012, 07:10 PM
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Mind you, he seems distracted lately.

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09-17-2012, 07:18 PM
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09-17-2012, 07:38 PM
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I'm not happy with AV. Some people already touched on a couple things I'm not happy with. Another thing is how he's not in the refs ear enough. If a ridiculous call goes against us (like Keith only getting a 2 minute minor for headshotting Daniel), he just stands there and looks at the sky chewing his gum. Rip an officials ear off for godsakes! Take a lesson from a guy like Coach Q. Stop being so passive. There's a reason so much crap goes against us. Cause he sits back and takes it.
I too would like to see this happen.

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09-17-2012, 08:43 PM
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Cup finals or fired.

for that matter, the team better look ready pretty much from the start or he should be gone pretty quick.

He's not a bad coach, I consider him to be quite good. After last season it may be time for him to move on.

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09-17-2012, 09:13 PM
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I am not the biggest av fan, I think he does some things well, and some mind boggling things, with that said, I would not consider getting rid of him until the team is struggling and/or someone better comes along.

And unfortunately there is very few coaches I really like. So AV might be the best we get for some time.

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09-18-2012, 12:57 AM
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He deserved the protection he got after bringing us one again away from a cup we probably would have won with a healthy lineup (I'd say a healthy Hamhuis). The first-round exit last year negated that, and his horrible PR afterwards didn't do him any favours--though I admit, I kind of like how he caught at the airport skipping town when he was supposed to be dealing with the media. If he's on a relatively short leash, I'm fine with giving him one last kick at the can. He's a good coach that could lead us to a cup, but I hope a second- or third-round exit doesn't get tagged as "progress." Whenever the season starts, it should become clear whether or not the rest of the league really has figured out how to break our team down, which is what it looked like last season.

At least with Rome gone, he won't be running our defense based on feelings and emotion.

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09-18-2012, 01:33 AM
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09-18-2012, 02:51 AM
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^^ I'm surprised anyone can have that view while being on this forum.

When the Canucks lose, it's all AV's fault? Really???

Luongo (especially), Bieksa, the Sedins, Kesler, Ballard etc all get way more blame for losses than AV does.
It feels pretty clear to me that whenever we lose, everyone splits up and trashes Luongo, the Sedins, and AV simultaneously.

Hell, AV probably takes more heat than the Sedins do (undeservedly, IMO)

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09-18-2012, 09:25 AM
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Stale coaching was a contributing factor to the latter part of last season and into the playoffs. There was a lot going on, of course, but it wasn't overcome with coaching.

LA replaced Murray with Sutter and won the cup. What would have happened if Vancouver had hired Carlyle?
How many coaches were changed during the last season?

Carlyle worked so well in TO to end the season.

Grass is greener syndrome at work.

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09-18-2012, 09:48 AM
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How many coaches were changed during the last season?

Carlyle worked so well in TO to end the season.

Grass is greener syndrome at work.
Taking your approach sure worked out well for Pittsburgh...oh wait...

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09-18-2012, 11:38 AM
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How much does mental preparation really fall on the coach?
There's only so much coaches do.
It's the players that have to go out and execute.

Last to get credit, first to get the blame (or the axe).

Yeah, AV ain't perfect. His inability to adapt on the fly is a greater weakness.
But I think he's more than good enough for us.
As others have said, there aren't better candidates out there either.

IMO, people overrate our team's talent level. I think AV gets most out of the player's on his team.
I don't think if we had another coach it would somehow take our team to another level.
I think we play the right system more or less, given the players we have on this team.

Could we be less reliant on our PP for offense, or giving certain players mostly offensive zone starts?
Absolutely.

Are we good enough to win with AV as coach? IMO, yes.
Everyone contributed to the cup run, players,coaching, management.
Everyone had a role in coming up short.

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09-18-2012, 11:44 AM
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Usually we would be just entering preseason and getting our first glimpse at AV. Are you happy with AV coming back? After last year's debacle do you still believe he can lead us to the promised land. Do you trust him teaching our young guns. Do players regress?

AHH YES


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