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09-17-2012, 02:35 PM
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I almost expect one of our big name players gets injured overseas. It just would be something that would happen to the Rangers.
Came in here to post this will most definitely happen.

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I actually want our players to play games elsewhere. Keep them fresh and ready and allow them to stay in shape. I really hope whoever goes overseas to stay healthy and safe.

I'll enjoy this thread.

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09-17-2012, 02:38 PM
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Came in here to post this will most definitely happen.
And that the fact that they'll be no season, and we will win the draft lottery (with CBJ having our pick)

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Might the King return to Sweden for however long?

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I'm much more comfortable with the SEL, Finnish league or Czech league than I an the KHL.

I'm sure Frolunda would be thrilled to have Lundqvist back for a time, if he agreed to it.
Frederik Andersen broke Henrik's shutout record for Frolunda and lead SEL in GAA and Sv percentage. I'm guessing Frolunda would possibly use one of their NHL spots on Karlsson/Alfredsson instead?

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Hagelin to SEL div 2, don't like that at all. I was hoping he'd go to Hartford and learn from the coaches there.

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Hagelin to SEL div 2, don't like that at all. I was hoping he'd go to Hartford and learn from the coaches there.
He isn't eligible.

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He isn't eligible.
Oh right, he'd be on waivers.

But isn't he still on his 2-way contract?

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Oh right, he'd be on waivers.

But isn't he still on his 2-way contract?
Yeah, but as RB reported the other day, the agreement is that only players that were on AHL clear day rosters last season could be sent down. Hagelin wasn't on the clear day roster, so he wouldn't be eligible.

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09-17-2012, 03:39 PM
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Oh right, he'd be on waivers.

But isn't he still on his 2-way contract?
2-way contract doesn't mean he doesn't have to clear waivers, I believe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NHL_sal...r_waivers_only

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I'd rather he be in shape when we come back. I suppose its a give-to-get and depends on your own value assessment. The Swiss league is a tough defensive league with some smartly coached squads, we saw that well enough when we played them last preseason, so its not like he'll be scoring at will and drinking 6 packs in between periods.
I'm glad that he's not playing there, but where do I sign up for that league?

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The most disappointing part of all this is that the players are clearly under the impression that this lockout is going to last awhile... I don't see Rick Nash - who makes a boat load of dough moving over to Switzerland - either with or without his family - to play hockey - if he feels that this is just going to last a few weeks.

Of course, I'm sure the players know the issues, but have no idea what's actually going on at the bargaining table (like most labor union negotiations). However, the union is most likely letting the players know that this could last awhile though...

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North American players like Thornton and Nash going right away to Europe is a bad sign. Looks like we won't see hockey until the new year at least...

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09-17-2012, 09:24 PM
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Yeah, but as RB reported the other day, the agreement is that only players that were on AHL clear day rosters last season could be sent down. Hagelin wasn't on the clear day roster, so he wouldn't be eligible.
I don't think that's the reason why Hagelin coulden't be sent down to Hartford. Hegelin has already played in too many NHL games to be waiver exempt (based on his age when he signed his professional contract last year).

Players who are/were not required to pass through waivers can also been sent down, regardless of whether or not they were on the AHL clear day roster. After all, a player like Kreider is allowed to play in the AHL, but was not, obviously, on the AHL clear day roster last seaon.

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North American players like Thornton and Nash going right away to Europe is a bad sign. Looks like we won't see hockey until the new year at least...
Why? The players going to Europe are signing contracts with an out clause that allows them to leave if and when the NHL season starts. No one expects a whole lot of movement with the CBA talks for the next month or so and players are ready for training camp/playing games right now. If they wait a month, they will won't be in game condition when they go over and they will be coming in well after the season starts. Better they go now so they can play right away and thus stay in game shape. I also have no doubt that many European teams would prefer to see NA players come sooner, rather than later, so as not to disrupt the team as much.

If there is no movement by November 1st, then starting after New Year's becomes much more likely, but there's still time to get things moving sooner. Assuming of course that there is any lines of communication open now between the NHL and the NHLPA.

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09-18-2012, 08:41 AM
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Cool! Then you can ignore the thread.

I'm sure there are plenty of people like me that want to know where are guys and and how they're performing.
Yeah I agree. If Nash struggles in Davos I can already start my pile of s*** to throw at the TV when NHL hockey does resume. I wonder what Brichards is going to do?

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Hope the players enjoy playing in clown leagues around Europe.

Give it up already

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09-18-2012, 09:08 AM
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Hope the players enjoy playing in clown leagues around Europe.

Give it up already
Clown leagues?

The only reason that they have to play in those "clown leagues" is because there's a bigger clown league over here that's going to be MIA for quite a while.

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Clown leagues?

The only reason that they have to play in those "clown leagues" is because there's a bigger clown league over here that's going to be MIA for quite a while.
Yeah, clown leagues. They are far below NHL standard just like the wages they will be making over there.

Only thing going on over here is clown players who can't bite the bullet and accept the paycut that was always coming.

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Yeah, if there's any clown league, it's the one that has locked its players out twice in seven years.

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Yeah, clown leagues. They are far below NHL standard just like the wages they will be making over there.

Only thing going on over here is clown players who can't bite the bullet and accept the paycut that was always coming.
If you worked at McDonald's and the workers went on strike, and all of a sudden Wal-Mart offered to temporarily employee you will the McDonald's situation gets relatives, you'd honestly tell me that instead of going to work you'd sit on your ass an just accept not being paid?

It makes no sense to just sit there and not get any paychecks when you could:

1) get ready for the season

And

2) get paid to get ready for the season.

You call them clowns and I call it making a living by getting a paycheck.

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If you worked at McDonald's and the workers went on strike, and all of a sudden Wal-Mart offered to temporarily employee you will the McDonald's situation gets relatives, you'd honestly tell me that instead of going to work you'd sit on your ass an just accept not being paid?

It makes no sense to just sit there and not get any paychecks when you could:

1) get ready for the season

And

2) get paid to get ready for the season.

You call them clowns and I call it making a living by getting a paycheck.
I'm not bashing them for finding another way to earn a living, I'm bashing them for allowing themselves to be forced to go to inferior league for inferior wages instead of just biting the bullet and taking their paycut here, where they will make more money anyway. (I realize this isn't the case for ALL players, I'm sure guys like Malkin or Ovechkin might make more in europe if they get big money with lower taxes.

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I'm not bashing them for finding another way to earn a living, I'm bashing them for allowing themselves to be forced to go to inferior league for inferior wages instead of just biting the bullet and taking their paycut here, where they will make more money anyway. (I realize this isn't the case for ALL players, I'm sure guys like Malkin or Ovechkin might make more in europe if they get big money with lower taxes.
Why are you bashing just the players then. They were forced to look elsewhere when a deal couldn't be reached. It's not just there fault they can't go to training camps (where I'm sure they all would rather be)

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Why are you bashing just the players then. They were forced to look elsewhere when a deal couldn't be reached. It's not just there fault they can't go to training camps (where I'm sure they all would rather be)
I feel the players are more at fault.

What league allows the players to get 57 % of rev?

Owners of the teams losing money can sit on their hands and break even while the players will be losing checks.

Who has the leverage? Who do you think is going to cave first? Its clear as day. Just do it now, save yourselves some money and save everyones time and sanity.

Heard Ovechkin yesterday saying hes prepared to play the whole season over there. Thats great for him, he can stay there for all I care.

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If you worked at McDonald's and the workers went on strike, and all of a sudden Wal-Mart offered to temporarily employee you will the McDonald's situation gets relatives, you'd honestly tell me that instead of going to work you'd sit on your ass an just accept not being paid?

It makes no sense to just sit there and not get any paychecks when you could:

1) get ready for the season

And

2) get paid to get ready for the season.

You call them clowns and I call it making a living by getting a paycheck.
Its awfully tough for me to make a comparison to the "real world" like you did here.

The McDonalds/Wal-Mart issue is about putting the next meal on the table.

The NHL/Euro league issue is about buying a Lexus instead of a Mercedes.

If theres anything I've learned in the business world, its that the higher the dollar values get, the more political and downright nasty the negotiations become. Its just how it is.

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