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09-18-2012, 07:49 PM
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Leafs hire Rick St. Croix as new goalie coach

Says it in this article.

http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2...rick-st-croix/

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09-18-2012, 07:51 PM
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Schneider and Lack, eh?

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The guy who worked with Cory Schneider,huh?

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Corey Schneider, mate?

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Don't know about him. Anyone know what style he teaches/ works with?

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A key is, he was an assistant with RC, in Winnipeg.

This time, I'm sorry Burkie, but I think Allaire was bang on with the no
defensive system issue. I also don't think you should have slung mud
back either.

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Good hiring.

He's very well thought of around the league, and has done some very good work with Cory Schneider amongst others.

He'll give a breath of fresh air to our young goalies and help them with a new approach, while keeping things Allaire has taught them as well.

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Screw Luongo....Trade For Lack!!

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A key is, he was an assistant with RC, in Winnipeg.

This time, I'm sorry Burkie, but I think Allaire was bang on with the no
defensive system issue. I also don't think you should have slung mud
back either.
Why not?

When all of Toronto's media was ganging up on Allaire's way of teaching young goalies it was Brian Burke that stood up for him and said that he is the best goalie coach in the world...

Then when Allaire decides that the criticism is too much to handle he decides to leave and takes a shot by saying "I don't think the Leafs need a goalie coach, they have 2-3 already" (paraphrasing).

I'd have slung mud back too.

You can hate Brian Burke for a lot of things but he always has the back of his players and management.

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St. Croix's credentials seem pretty impessive but I think the goal tenders will miss Allaire, they certainly were behind him all the way and wanted him to stay, hopefully they can retain the good points he taught them and adapt St. Croix's methods, to move forward.

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St. Croix's credentials seem pretty impessive but I think the goal tenders will miss Allaire, they certainly were behind him all the way and wanted him to stay, hopefully they can retain the good points he taught them and adapt St. Croix's methods, to move forward.
No goalie is going to say bad words about a leaving coach. Especially unestablished goalies like Reimer and Scrivens.

I know Gustavsson is going to be a lot better without Allaire near him, let's hope so are Reimer and Scrivens.

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Why not?

When all of Toronto's media was ganging up on Allaire's way of teaching young goalies it was Brian Burke that stood up for him and said that he is the best goalie coach in the world...

Then when Allaire decides that the criticism is too much to handle he decides to leave and takes a shot by saying "I don't think the Leafs need a goalie coach, they have 2-3 already" (paraphrasing).

I'd have slung mud back too.

You can hate Brian Burke for a lot of things but he always has the back of his players and management.


agree 100% but of course I would I am a Burkite!

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outdated eh

could be

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Why not?

When all of Toronto's media was ganging up on Allaire's way of teaching young goalies it was Brian Burke that stood up for him and said that he is the best goalie coach in the world...

Then when Allaire decides that the criticism is too much to handle he decides to leave and takes a shot by saying "I don't think the Leafs need a goalie coach, they have 2-3 already" (paraphrasing).

I'd have slung mud back too.

You can hate Brian Burke for a lot of things but he always has the back of his players and management.



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No goalie is going to say bad words about a leaving coach. Especially unestablished goalies like Reimer and Scrivens.

I know Gustavsson is going to be a lot better without Allaire near him, let's hope so are Reimer and Scrivens.
I posted this in the other thread but it applies here as well, it was an article on May/11/12 when the media was all over allaire

http://www.thestar.com/sports/leafs/...s-ben-scrivens

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Scrivens has a shot at being an NHLer next season because right now he’s tearing up the AHL. In the series against Abbotsford, he registered a spectacular .955 save percentage.

For much of this, he gives credit to embattled Leaf goalie coach Francois Allaire.
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“His system isn’t just, sit there and be motionless and hope pucks hit you,” says Scrivens. “People who say that are idiots. It’s like writing a book report on a book you’ve never read before and being forceful about your convictions. But again, you can have your opinion, and I can have the opinion that you’re an idiot.”

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Great.....Love Rick St.Croix......he was good for the Leafs back in the day.

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I posted this in the other thread but it applies here as well, it was an article on May/11/12 when the media was all over allaire

http://www.thestar.com/sports/leafs/...s-ben-scrivens
Scrivens is awesome. Smartest Leaf easily.

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Played for the Leafs in the early 80's. Didn't fair too well. Supposed to be a good coach though.

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Great.....Love Rick St.Croix......he was good for the Leafs back in the day.
17 games 3.78 GAA .886 SV%
20 games 5.11 GAA .849 SV%
11 games 5.16 GAA .828 SV%

So, when are you handing the Vezina over to Reimer?

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17 games 3.78 GAA .886 SV%
20 games 5.11 GAA .849 SV%
11 games 5.16 GAA .828 SV%

So, when are you handing the Vezina over to Reimer?
As soon as you hit puberty. The entire league was very high scoring back then.

Here's the Vezina winners from his years:

1984-85 NHL Pelle Lindbergh 25 PHI G 40 17 7 3.02 .899 0.0 0.0 13.9 13.9
1983-84 NHL Tom Barrasso 18 BUF G 26 12 3 2.84 .893 0.0 0.0 7.5 7.5
1982-83 NHL Billy Smith 32 NYI G 18 14 7 2.87 0.0 0.0 9.1 9.1

http://www.hockey-reference.com/awards/vezina.html


Interestingly enough he won the Best Goalie trophy in 85-86 in the IHF (named the James Norris trophy back then)

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As soon as you hit puberty. The entire league was very high scoring back then.

Here's the Vezina winners from his years:

1984-85 NHL Pelle Lindbergh 25 PHI G 40 17 7 3.02 .899 0.0 0.0 13.9 13.9
1983-84 NHL Tom Barrasso 18 BUF G 26 12 3 2.84 .893 0.0 0.0 7.5 7.5
1982-83 NHL Billy Smith 32 NYI G 18 14 7 2.87 0.0 0.0 9.1 9.1

http://www.hockey-reference.com/awards/vezina.html


Interestingly enough he won the Best Goalie trophy in 85-86 in the IHF (named the James Norris trophy back then)
Lol, served.

Regardless, most coaches were nothing special as players anyway. Good goalies =/= good coach, many people simply have natural talent that you just can't teach. Imagine Dominik Hasek trying to be a goalie coach.

Goalies who did not fare as well during their playing career often end up being better coaches because they too were looking at the technical side of the game during their careers and they know how to teach these things first hand.

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good i'm glad.

now i can rest.

i did not want fan appreciation / fan picks like: Cujo, Belfour, or Potvin. Maybe one day, but for now they just represent nostalgia.

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As soon as you hit puberty. The entire league was very high scoring back then.

Here's the Vezina winners from his years:

1984-85 NHL Pelle Lindbergh 25 PHI G 40 17 7 3.02 .899 0.0 0.0 13.9 13.9
1983-84 NHL Tom Barrasso 18 BUF G 26 12 3 2.84 .893 0.0 0.0 7.5 7.5
1982-83 NHL Billy Smith 32 NYI G 18 14 7 2.87 0.0 0.0 9.1 9.1

http://www.hockey-reference.com/awards/vezina.html


Interestingly enough he won the Best Goalie trophy in 85-86 in the IHF (named the James Norris trophy back then)


Yea comparing goalie stats from the 80s to now is apples and oranges

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Played for the Leafs in the early 80's. Didn't fair too well. Supposed to be a good coach though.
... completely meaningless, no precedence, relation from playing level to coaching goaltending. I was personally coached, as a Goalie, by members of the HHOF to guys who never made it beyond the minors. The best were the lower rung players, as they didnt come by their talents naturally, were a lot more studious, patient. St. Croix was a backup, full-on standup as a player, a method far removed from todays realities of butterfly, but he was hybrid Glenn Hall. One of his disciples, Schneider, replacing Team Canada's and until recently one of the highest ranked in the league in Luongo. I think he knows exactly what he's doing, Allaire obviously having a "communication breakdown" with what we got.

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