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Which NHL franchises have the most to lose from extended lockout
The Kings will definitely lose some momentum if an entire season is lost. They sold more season tickets than ever before and will likely be contenders for a good many years to come. No Kings fan wants to lose a season after the team winning the Stanley Cup.
The Kings will definitely lose some momentum if an entire season is lost. They sold more season tickets than ever before and will likely be contenders for a good many years to come. No Kings fan wants to lose a season after the team winning the Stanley Cup.
On the plus side, the financial surplus from going to and winning the Cup finals will pretty much cover your lockout expenses; (which are tiny because the Staples Center owner and Kings owner are the same guy).
The teams that actually make money stand to lose the most.
I think the Leafs, Rangers, Flyers, Red Wings, Bruins, Hawks, Canadiens, Canucks and other money makers should just go on and secede from the NHL and form their own Premier League. Maybe it's just a league of 12 healthy clubs or whatever, but I don't see how these franchises are being served in any way by losing a season potentially because of the plight of the poor here. I mean should we really be ruining the sport for the weak sisters?
That is an incredibly stupid idea and not really feasible at all
Sorry, but you have no concept of the absolutely rabid fanbase in Winnipeg. There isn't much room to grow when they already have the entire city buying-in. There is a 13000 season ticket base locked in for 3-5 years, and a wait list that had to be cutoff at 8000. Half of the NHL teams would do anything to be in that situation.
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I wasn't thinking in terms of season tickets so much as just gaining more fans (of a more casual variety). The response that the team received when it came back was enormous, and I'm sure it would grow nicely if there was a season this year. That growth becomes more difficult when there's a lengthy dead zone. I may be exaggerating the potential effects of a lockout, however.
Phoenix Coyotes have the most to lose. When the Coyotes are not around, the jobing.com arena doesn't get too much usuage. Or it depends highly on the Coyotes playing in their arena.
With all the rumors of them leaving and Glendale AZ paying 20 million per year to keep them in Arizona, they have the most to lose.
Nashville and Minnesota if you ask me...as that bonus money will be coming out of the owners' pockets and not ticket revenue. (The Blackhawks will have to pay bonus money to Duncan Keith, but they are co-owners of the United Center.)
Separately, the Devils might be up for sale if Jeffrey Vanderbeek can't keep up on the debt servicing (their arena lease is favorable, but the debt is crushing the team).
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I would have to say that 'new' markets would be the most affected..especially markets like Nashville that just recently attracted a large, loyal following. It took them this long to achieve one..what do you think would happen to these new loyal fans who had gone this long in their lives, being just fine, without hockey....
This is what I am concerned with the most. Nashville has taken great strides in building up the organization and fan support since 2008. A lockout could reverse all of that.
Anyone who leases their arena will be worse off than those who own their arena. Because their lease obligations don't go away and their revenues do go away.
I don't think this is the case, at least not across the board. Mr. Vinik doesn't own our arena, the county does. But as the main tenant, he has leasehold rights - and gets all the revenue from the building, be it from hockey, concerts, arena football, whatever.
I don't think this is the case, at least not across the board. Mr. Vinik doesn't own our arena, the county does. But as the main tenant, he has leasehold rights - and gets all the revenue from the building, be it from hockey, concerts, arena football, whatever.
I should have clarified; it's:
Own/Operates (sitting pretty)
Lease/Operates (probably in good shape)
Lease/Tenant (screwed)
So Stupid that Arsenal, Man United, Liverpool and Chelsea managed to do it 1991? And created the most popular soccer league in the world?
You probably won't watch a northeast and chicago league? So what?
Go look at NBC's broadcast schedule for 2012-2013 and tell me much of those or Buffalo, Pittsburgh, or big northeast markets/chicago/detroit/
It not that simple the NHL now own all the teams trademarks meaning that Geoff Molson could secede from the league but would lose the use of the Habs trademark, name and logo. Same goes for the Leafs and the Rangers. The only way out would be for a majority of owners to want to leave with would give them all the vote needed to force the NHL to sell the trademarks, logo and names back. It would likely result in one hell of a legal fight anyway. The situation would have to be a lot worse than it is right now for this to be contemplated. The BoG will fire Bettman way before it ever reach that point anyway.
Toronto 80M+ profits expected.
Montreal, NYR 45M+ profits expected Vancouver 25M+ profits expected
about 5 other teams looking at 5M+ profits.
of course, there are two mitigating factors here...
1. If the owners "win", and get the players share down to the 50% range without increasing their revenue sharing contributions, they should make that money back within 3 years.
2. The NBC contract is still being paid this year. If the season is completely wiped out, NBC just gets a free season at the end of the contract. In that free season, owners wouldnt fully feel the loss of revenue because their player costs will go down that season as a result of linkage.
Not sure where you get that figure but I'm positive the Canucks are making way way more than that. They are a privately held company and the Aquilini's are very secretive about their finances. Francesco Aquilini recently got divorced he made sure the Canucks finances wouldn't be released. He doesn't want anyone to know how much they are making.
If this season is lost do to the lockout I see all theses teams here moving within the next 10 years Phoenix , Dallas , Nashville , Florida , NY. Islanders , Columbus , Carolina & where you ask here are some cities that would welcome these teams .
Quebec City
Hamilton
Seattle
Markham (GTA.) *
Kansas City
Houston
Brooklyn
Portland
Milwaukee
* Thats if MLSE. lets them & any prospective owner is willing to pay the huge price tag but first they have to build that arena which is along way from happening if ever .
Not gonna happen!!! I would take Fla, Caro, and possibly Phx off that list. It's very hard to say these teams would be moved 10 years down the road *if* the season is lost. Phx was just bought, Fla ain't goin no where! Caro is doing pretty good. I've heard rumors of the Islanders going to Brooklyn, as a new arena is being built. Why not just expand the NHL?
Not gonna happen!!! I would take Fla, Caro, and possibly Phx off that list. It's very hard to say these teams would be moved 10 years down the road *if* the season is lost. Phx was just bought, Fla ain't goin no where! Caro is doing pretty good. I've heard rumors of the Islanders going to Brooklyn, as a new arena is being built. Why not just expand the NHL?
Still waiting for it to be finalized. Nothing's official yet.
Not gonna happen!!! I would take Fla, Caro, and possibly Phx off that list. It's very hard to say these teams would be moved 10 years down the road *if* the season is lost. Phx was just bought, Fla ain't goin no where! Caro is doing pretty good. I've heard rumors of the Islanders going to Brooklyn, as a new arena is being built. Why not just expand the NHL?
Expanding the league would only result to larger gap between rich and poor teams. It is not a solution for unprofitable franchises.
[QUOTE=JMROWE;54454335]If this season is lost do to the lockout I see all theses teams here moving within the next 10 years Phoenix , Dallas , Nashville , Florida , NY. Islanders , Columbus , Carolina & where you ask here are some cities that would welcome these teams .
Quebec City
Hamilton
Seattle
Markham (GTA.) *
Kansas City
Houston
Brooklyn
Portland
Milwaukee
Sorry but Nashville can't relocate anywhere until at least 2025 as their new lease agreement will not allow them to. Also, as long as they have full operation of the arena and it stays in the top 10 in the country they will make more money off non-related hockey events then they will in almost anyother city they could relocate to. As all of their profits come from these events.
