I was under the impression that if the entire season was wiped out, then the lottery system would work in such a way that each team is eligible to get a maximum of three lottery balls to a minimum of one lottery ball, depending on three factors: playoff appearances in the last five years, Cup championships in the last five years, and first overall picks in the last years. For every one of those eliminators that a team qualifies for, a lottery ball is removed. So a team like Toronto (and I think they're the only one) will have three balls since the Leafs haven't experienced any of those three things. Edmonton, for example, would have a ball eliminated on account of the first overall selections they've had each of the last three years, etc.
I could be wrong on how this all works though. I could have sworn I'd read this somewhere though.
I was under the impression that if the entire season was wiped out, then the lottery system would work in such a way that each team is eligible to get a maximum of three lottery balls to a minimum of one lottery ball, depending on three factors: playoff appearances in the last five years, Cup championships in the last five years, and first overall picks in the last years. For every one of those eliminators that a team qualifies for, a lottery ball is removed. So a team like Toronto (and I think they're the only one) will have three balls since the Leafs haven't experienced any of those three things. Edmonton, for example, would have a ball eliminated on account of the first overall selections they've had each of the last three years, etc.
I could be wrong on how this all works though. I could have sworn I'd read this somewhere though.
I am going to be radically different and say we have a better chance at first at 6% with the lockout then if we played the season because I believe our team will improve. Even if Burke made no further changes experience and a solid penalty killing center suggests we will improve considering how young our team is.
I fully agree. The will have a better shot with a full lockout.
Ok why draft Domi a small player for a team loaded with skilled smaller players????
He is a midget
Did we not just sign Abbot 5'10" 180 the wonder kid enough is enough does everyone here have an issue with size and grit???
We need skilled guys with non stop motors that can play at 6'2"+ 220lb for years we drafted the opposite and the team shows for it in a lack of Grit that is perhaps worst in the entire League
It was still rigged. I bet that was one of the stipulations by Benson was that you give me the 1st overall pick or I walk away. C'mon now.
There is no evidence that lottery was rigged, or any previous NBA lottery, or any NHL lottery. Fanboys whining about conspiracies is nothing but a waste of time.
If the whole season is wiped out again, the league may use a completely different lottery system than the one in 05. Who says they have to stick to the one from 8 years ago? They don't.
If the whole season is wiped out again, the league may use a completely different lottery system than the one in 05. Who says they have to stick to the one from 8 years ago? They don't.
Heck they might decide that since the poorer teams need more help, teams should draft in the reverse order of 2011-12 HRR.
I am upset that we have no hockey but came to the realization that this may be a blessing in disguise.We finished in the bottom 5 for two out of the past three years, and bottom ten for the past 4 years. This puts us in prime position to find out center for the future in the draft lottery for next year's draft. Just had to bring that thought out.
I don't understand why there would be other teams with as much chance as us to win the lottery. Under the 05 lottery criteria, wouldn't we be the only team to meet ALL seven requirements?
I don't understand why there would be other teams with as much chance as us to win the lottery. Under the 05 lottery criteria, wouldn't we be the only team to meet ALL seven requirements?
As much as I hate Bettman I think there's enough in his history with draft lotteries to compel me to believe he hasn't been rigging lotteries;
The first two in 1995 and 1996 the Senators won.
I don't know why people claim he rigged 2005. If he were picking would he have not have chosen either a small market southern team or a big market team? Pittsburgh falls into neither category.
Phoenix was in the bottom 5 in 2007 and 2009 and did not win either lottery.
Edmonton got the first pick overall 3 straight years, the last one at the expense of a small market Columbus team hand picked by bettman to join the league in the 1997 disaster.
On the other hand the NBA is the american sports league i follow the least of the 4 but I've seen the 1985 Patrick Ewing draft lottery in addition to all the evidence the NBA seems to be fixed.
As much as I hate Bettman I think there's enough in his history with draft lotteries to compel me to believe he hasn't been rigging lotteries;
The first two in 1995 and 1996 the Senators won.
I don't know why people claim he rigged 2005. If he were picking would he have not have chosen either a small market southern team or a big market team? Pittsburgh falls into neither category.
Phoenix was in the bottom 5 in 2007 and 2009 and did not win either lottery.
Edmonton got the first pick overall 3 straight years, the last one at the expense of a small market Columbus team hand picked by bettman to join the league in the 1997 disaster.
On the other hand the NBA is the american sports league i follow the least of the 4 but I've seen the 1985 Patrick Ewing draft lottery in addition to all the evidence the NBA seems to be fixed.
I don't think every lottery is rigged - but that Crosby one... no friggin' way that wasn't "helped along" a bit by the League.
Assuming the NHL uses the same rules as the 2005 Draft Lottery the Leafs should have the best chance of getting the #1 pick because they haven't made the Playoffs since 2004 and all 29 other teams made them at least once since 2006. Plus they haven't won the 1st overall pick so that decreases the Oilers chances of getting another 1st overall pick, even though they haven't made the Playoffs since 2006.
Ok why draft Domi a small player for a team loaded with skilled smaller players????
He is a midget
Did we not just sign Abbot 5'10" 180 the wonder kid enough is enough does everyone here have an issue with size and grit???
We need skilled guys with non stop motors that can play at 6'2"+ 220lb for years we drafted the opposite and the team shows for it in a lack of Grit that is perhaps worst in the entire League
I don't know what team you've been watching. For years we've drafted size over skill again and again and again. Notice how nobody in our top 6 was drafted by us.
I don't think every lottery is rigged - but that Crosby one... no friggin' way that wasn't "helped along" a bit by the League.
My question is why the Penguins?
If her were going to rig the lottery why not one of the southern teams he brought in, all of which struggling at the time; Atlanta, Carolina, Phoenix, Nashville, Columbus?
Or why not the big money makers for the league; New York, Detroit, Philadelphia?
Why choose pittsburgh when they weren't the team in biggest dire straits and they werent big market?
Also review the Atlanta Thrashers draft history with lotteries (i'm including all the years they finished in the bottom 5);
1999: given the balls for 2nd last got the #2 pick (later traded up)
2000: finished last, got the #2 pick
2001: finished 3rd last got the #1 pick
2002: last, got the #1 pick
2008: 3rd last, picked 3rd
2009: 4th last, picked 4th
so they won 1, and lost 2. And you can't tell me they weren't a team Bettman was rooting for; southern team he hand picked for expansion, miserable failure.
If her were going to rig the lottery why not one of the southern teams he brought in, all of which struggling at the time; Atlanta, Carolina, Phoenix, Nashville, Columbus?
Or why not the big money makers for the league; New York, Detroit, Philadelphia?
Why choose pittsburgh when they weren't the team in biggest dire straits and they werent big market?
Also review the Atlanta Thrashers draft history with lotteries (i'm including all the years they finished in the bottom 5);
1999: given the balls for 2nd last got the #2 pick (later traded up)
2000: finished last, got the #2 pick
2001: finished 3rd last got the #1 pick
2002: last, got the #1 pick
2008: 3rd last, picked 3rd
2009: 4th last, picked 4th
so they won 1, and lost 2. And you can't tell me they weren't a team Bettman was rooting for; southern team he hand picked for expansion, miserable failure.
Seth Jones next ranked and yet again a Dman, do we draft him?? And then what is any move after that given we have Percy, Blacker, Finn, Rielly all near term
It might be a realistic scenario
Trade down to thread, and grab a 2nd/3rd from the other team. Then we draft Sean Monahan or Aleksander Barkov.
Chances are the Blue Jackets would win the 1st overall pick with one of their original 3 balls. So I think the chances of winning it with the Rangers or Kings 1st round pick is very slim based on their records from 2011-2012. In any Draft when a team trades for a 1st round pick that pick is based upon where the team trading the pick finishes in the standings or playoffs. You would think the Rangers and Kings picks would end up between 25th - 30th for the Blue Jackets.
But there is a good like 12 or 13 teams with 1 ball. What makes you think they pick between 25-30? It has nothing to do with standings. Playoff appearances (last 3 years) and first overall (last 4 years) will lose a ball so almost half the league has 1 ball
Jackets in total have 5 giving them a 10 percent chance, 6 percent chance with theirs, 2 percent with Kings and Rangers
I don't care whether they get a better pick by having a lockout. I'd trade the 2% less chance at a first overall for not having to suffer through another season of mediocrity.
