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09-18-2012, 10:45 AM
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So I was trying to think of something positive that could come from missed NHL games. The best I can think of is how people could see the effects of what the Coyotes leaving would mean to the area. You would go from 51 nights booked down to 8. For comparison, I looked at how many non-sporting events US Airways had.

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September 2012-August 2013 Schedule of Events

September 2012
Kellogg’s Tour of Gymnastics
Red Hot Chilli Peppers
Bieber Fever

October 2012
Carrie Underwood

November 2012
Eric Church

December 2012
Trans-Siberian Orchestra
Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band

February 2013
The Who
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Non Sporting Events are US Airways (Excludes Suns/Mercury

October 2012
Jason Mraz
The Black Keys
2 Phineas and Ferb shows
Madonna

November 2012
Winter Jam
Rush
3 Cirque du Soleil Shows

December 2012
2 Cirgue du Soleil Shows

January 2013
Royal Rumble
Lady Gaga
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Jobbing=8 (51 nights booked if you included the prelocked-out Coyotes)
US Airways=14 (61 nights booked if you include Mercury/Suns games)

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So I was trying to think of something positive that could come from missed NHL games. The best I can think of is how people could see the effects of what the Coyotes leaving would mean to the area. You would go from 51 nights booked down to 8. For comparison, I looked at how many non-sporting events US Airways had.

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Jobbing=8 (51 nights booked if you included the prelocked-out Coyotes)
US Airways=14 (61 nights booked if you include Mercury/Suns games)
I was laughing pretty hysterically the other day from something like this I read on the main board about the effects of the last lockout on Ottawa. A whole bunch of people were talking about how receipts in the area were down 33% and what economic damage that caused. Then a bunch of others came in the thread to agree. Was great fun considering how often people against the sale routinely deny the economic impact to the surrounding area. GWI in particular.

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I like this thread title, even if there's a lockout, we may get to 1000 posts discussing alternative titles.

The thread title reminds me of an Australian actor named Yahoo Serious who was in some movie in the late 80s.

Like, you're not serious - you're Yahoo Serious.

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That's perfect, because this has definetly been a Journey! lol..

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Ha! Good one.

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So, are casinos actually beneficial to their surrounding communites?

I sort of like the non-traditional component of JEG being partners with an indian tribe. Seems like it will take something non traditional to make this work. Assuming, of course, that a casino would actually be good for the area.

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I don't think casinos ate good anywhere. They represent everything that is wrong!

Creative, but not good!

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I don't mean morally beneficial, I mean financially beneficial. And I don't mean just to the tribe or just the degenerate gambling addicts. I mean to local businesses and upstanding tax payers.

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House debates bill to block Tohono O’odham casino in Glendale

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“The surrounding areas would not benefit from the normal sales taxes, bed taxes and property taxes, because the casino being on tribal land would be exempt from all three,” Franks said.
http://cronkitenewsonline.com/2012/0...o-in-glendale/

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Hi all!
How much money per year ( at least approximately) Coyotes spend for Jobing.com arena? Would they be profitable if the owner (hypotetical) will also be the owner of the arena?

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How much money per year ( at least approximately) Coyotes spend for Jobing.com arena? Would they be profitable if the owner (hypotetical) will also be the owner of the arena?
Here is a link on the original agreement currently being reworked:

http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/n...ease-deal.html

In the three years leading up to the bankruptcy, Forbes reports that the Coyotes had averaged a $9 million operating loss. So as long as Jamison receives more than the $9 million average, his group should be OK. In 2007, Forbes listed a $11.4 million operating loss so the averages are important for a long-term view.

http://www.forbes.com/teams/phoenix-coyotes/

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09-19-2012, 01:40 PM
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House debates bill to block Tohono O’odham casino in Glendale

Representative Trent Franks' Take



http://cronkitenewsonline.com/2012/0...o-in-glendale/
That part I am aware of. I just wonder about increased traffic in the area.

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I don't think casinos ate good anywhere. They represent everything that is wrong!

Creative, but not good!
I've always kinda viewed local casinos as the place where dreams go to die. My friends drug me to the one by Payson once, granted we were there to go to the bar not gamble but still I pretty much wanted to shoot myself within a half hour. So many people who just look beat down by life chain smoking away and betting money on "games" that are statistically stacked against them to a ridiculous degree. Maybe I just have a bad impression but I can't imagine that ever benefiting a community.

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I've always kinda viewed local casinos as the place where dreams go to die. My friends drug me to the one by Payson once, granted we were there to go to the bar not gamble but still I pretty much wanted to shoot myself within a half hour. So many people who just look beat down by life chain smoking away and betting money on "games" that are statistically stacked against them to a ridiculous degree. Maybe I just have a bad impression but I can't imagine that ever benefiting a community.
I agree. It will only make the area surrounding it worse. The owners will get richer and the suckers poorer. I remember being in Laughlin for training and turning 20 into 140. Not being content, I list that 140, plus another 180. My wife was pissed!

I'd rather go in a different direction, if possible.

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09-19-2012, 02:45 PM
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Yeah I rather enjoy that the west side doesn't have Casinos.

And the way this tribe is trying to bully their way in isn't earning any favors with me either. If you can just buy a spot of land and call it a reservation the whole system is screwed up.

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09-19-2012, 03:07 PM
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Yeah I rather enjoy that the west side doesn't have Casinos.

And the way this tribe is trying to bully their way in isn't earning any favors with me either. If you can just buy a spot of land and call it a reservation the whole system is screwed up.
Well, just look at the new one going up east of flagstaff on I 40. Nowhere close!! Money talks, though.

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That part I am aware of. I just wonder about increased traffic in the area.
This study from Elliott D. Pollack shows that after the initial construction:
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Glendale revenues from casino operations: $172,500

Glendale costs (police and fire resources): $3,750,900

Annual cost to Glendale: $3,578,400
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http://keepingthepromiseaz.com/image...pact_Final.pdf

The proposed location is 2 miles north of Westgate in the heart of Glendale while Vee Quiva is 22 miles south of Westgate. All the others are on the east side or before you leave the valley towards Tucson.

I am not sure one could expect the other business to reap in the proposed casinos success. Whenever I go to a casino, I play and eat there. A similar example is the Pavilions in Scottsdale; I haven't ever gone there before or after I visited Talking Stick Resort. So to me, it seems like Glendale would be taking on most of the expenses. But the contenders would argue that the casino would generate a little over 2,000 new jobs so who am I to say anything.

But as far as reports about their involvement with Jamison:

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However, others familiar with the deal said the tribe either is not involved with Jamison or talk of their involvement is unconfirmed or may involve a sponsorship deal rather than ownership stake.
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Ah. I see, so it wouldnt be right in view of westgate, huh? Meh, probably wont help then. Nuts.

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Ah. I see, so it wouldnt be right in view of westgate, huh? Meh, probably wont help then. Nuts.
Looks to be right across the street from Kellis High School so actually about a mile's walk. I think I parked there for a Cards game and made the walk once. A lot closer than I originally thought but most people would have to drive to each location.

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^ yeah, that's not good. Directory across from a HS seems wrong.

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Stupid azcentral. Can someone break down or summarize the 3 options Glendale just put out? Would GJ agree to any of those?

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Stupid azcentral. Can someone break down or summarize the 3 options Glendale just put out? Would GJ agree to any of those?
If you are talking about this article:

3 scenarios for Glendale budget: All include cuts

http://www.azcentral.com/community/g...#ixzz26xHdJIUF

The scenarios are just the ones presented last week and summarized here:

Glendale Seeks Lease Renegotiation With Jamison

http://www.fiveforhowling.com/2012/9...n-with-jamison

The Azcentral article is talking about which services would be cut to counter the sales tax loss.

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I don't mean morally beneficial, I mean financially beneficial. And I don't mean just to the tribe or just the degenerate gambling addicts. I mean to local businesses and upstanding tax payers.
Last year the AZ gaming tribes contributed a whole $11 million for cities towns and counties statewide.

http://www.gm.state.az.us/tcontribut...tive060112.pdf

The tribes also have power to decide which of those entities receive the contributions.

The casino would be located at 91st Ave and Northern Ave. To the south is undeveloped land. To the east, is Raymond Kellis High School and Rovey Farms residential communities. To the west, Loop 101. To the north, the city of Peoria (Northern Ave is the city limit).

Now how does this benefit Glendale????

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