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09-20-2012, 12:13 PM
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Blame Gainey

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Timmins doesn't control which prospects get traded and which prospects get kept. He could provide advice but ultimately, the GM decides who to trade.

Would you be saying this if we kept McDonagh?
Don't blame Me for That one..Scott Gomez at $7.5 mil a year, to do Nothing, and We gave up the best player in that deal...Amazing how the NY Rangers accumulated all that salary cap space thanks to us in the Gomez trade, adding the likes of Gaborik, Richards and now Rick Nash over the last few years. If New York should win the Cup in a year or two, the Canadiens should at least get a video of the parade ..

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09-20-2012, 12:17 PM
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The team IS in a rebuild.

Management isn't blasting out all it's veterans in one big clearing of the decks however fans will not recognize this team in a few years. It's happening and will continue to happen.
I was a little disappointed that neither of Gauthier's trade failures, Kaberle and Bourque weren't moved out, but it looks like Kaberle has some chance of sticking. Bourque? Gomez? These are guys that aren't part of the future. I like that the nucleus of Desharnais, Pacioretty, Subban and White who graduated together within the Habs are looking like long term Canadiens, whereas the core of Price, O'Byrne, Kostitstyn, Grabvoski, Lapierre, D'Agostini, and Chipchura got completely dismantled, save the franchise goalie, in part due to the drastic change in playing style Martin brought to the team, in part due to the lack of maturity among the players. I think Tinordi, Gallagher, Galchenyuk, Bournival, Leblanc, Beaulieu, Ellis, Collberg and Hudon will integrate into the team in the next few years. This year's team is a transition team. If the players on it fail to produce, it is conceivable the rebuild will begin sooner. I am of the opinion that minor-league experience in general contributes to the overall development of a team, especially in a market like Montreal, where there is nowhere to hide. Once the contracts of Markov, Kaberle, Gomez, Gionta and Bourque are off the books (2 years tops), and the youngsters are given time to mature, the rebuilt Habs will emerge, and the Gainey/Gauthier stamp will be less evident.


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09-20-2012, 12:59 PM
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Indeed.

And, frankly, the route of 'blasting out all of its veterans' is a method reserved for fantasy leagues, IMO.
I agree with you there, and it's My fantasy to get rid of some of these players who finished Last in the Eastern Conference..

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09-20-2012, 01:29 PM
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I agree with you there, and it's My fantasy to get rid of some of these players who finished Last in the Eastern Conference..
That's nice. I'm sure there's a fantasy forum around for you to discuss your fantasies.

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09-20-2012, 01:31 PM
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I would trade:

Plekanec, Desharnais, Gomez, Bourque, Kaberle, Nokelainen, Bouillon and Markov

I would build around:

Pacioretty - Galchenyuk - Cole (A)
Collberg - Eller - Gallagher
Moen - Leblanc - Gionta (C)
Prust - White - Armstrong

Gorges(A) - Subban
Tinordi - Beaulieu
Ellis - Emelin

Price

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09-20-2012, 01:34 PM
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I would trade:

Plekanec, Desharnais, Gomez, Bourque, Kaberle, Nokelainen, Bouillon and Markov

I would build around:

Pacioretty - Galchenyuk - Cole (A)
Collberg - Eller - Gallagher
Moen - Leblanc - Gionta (C)
Prust - White - Armstrong

Gorges(A) - Subban
Tinordi - Beaulieu
Ellis - Emelin

Price
Are you ready to suck for at least 3-4 more years?

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09-20-2012, 01:46 PM
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this thread feels the same as watching re-runs of Gilligan's island
And Maryann was more popular than Ginger...Just like me, xxx

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09-20-2012, 01:48 PM
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By the time the so call rebuild is done price will be 30 and almost out of his prime, Patches and P.K. 28 and almost out of theyre prime 2.

The rebuild was done in 05-07. Now add to it.

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09-20-2012, 01:48 PM
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Gm's would have to be drunk

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Are you ready to suck for at least 3-4 more years?
tO TRADE SOME OF tHOSE PLAYERS, and I use the term loosely, our GM would have to get another GM as drunk as Sather got Boob Gainey when he talked him into taking Scott Gomez ..I mean like a Fifth of Romulan Ale stuff.

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09-20-2012, 01:55 PM
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I would trade:

Plekanec, Desharnais, Gomez, Bourque, Kaberle, Nokelainen, Bouillon and Markov

I would build around:

Pacioretty - Galchenyuk - Cole (A)
Collberg - Eller - Gallagher
Moen - Leblanc - Gionta (C)
Prust - White - Armstrong

Gorges(A) - Subban
Tinordi - Beaulieu
Ellis - Emelin

Price
How do you think this is a solid environment for our young players to develop? They have no NHL talent to work with besides Cole, Gio, patches, gorges, subban and Eller who is still trying to figure out his own role in the NHL.

You can't throw them into the fire without an extinguisher... they'll just burn!

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09-20-2012, 01:58 PM
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I would trade:

Plekanec, Desharnais, Gomez, Bourque, Kaberle, Nokelainen, Bouillon and Markov

I would build around:

Pacioretty - Galchenyuk - Cole (A)
Collberg - Eller - Gallagher
Moen - Leblanc - Gionta (C)
Prust - White - Armstrong

Gorges(A) - Subban
Tinordi - Beaulieu
Ellis - Emelin

Price
Question, why bother keeping Cole and Gionta then? That team is going to be awful with or without them, we'd already possibly ruin Tinordi, Beaulieu, Ellis and Collberg by rushing them either way, and both Cole and Gionta will be finished by the time that team is anything beyond awful. If we want to go on a 3-5 year tank, might as well go all out.

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09-20-2012, 10:54 PM
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I would trade:

Plekanec, Desharnais, Gomez, Bourque, Kaberle, Nokelainen, Bouillon and Markov

I would build around:

Pacioretty - Galchenyuk - Cole (A)
Collberg - Eller - Gallagher
Moen - Leblanc - Gionta (C)
Prust - White - Armstrong

Gorges(A) - Subban
Tinordi - Beaulieu
Ellis - Emelin

Price

Ummm.. you trade all those players.. but no player in your lineup is from outside the system. Did we trade them for pucks? You realize it is very unrealistic to have that many developed players in our lineup.

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09-21-2012, 12:40 PM
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I support a rebuild if the lockout ends, but if the season is cancelled I oppose a rebuild, I should consider writing a thread about it.

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09-21-2012, 03:17 PM
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You must have a REALLY short memory. When Gainey came into this organization as a GM, the team was in a shambles. Their were issues in all departments, but the number one over riding issue is that the team lacked a legitimate steady hand at the wheel.

They could not get free agents. They could not make trades.

Gainey could be seen as having lacked a steady hand on the wheel in the later part of his time as a manager, but you also have to remember half way through his years, his daughter disappeared and was later confirmed lost at sea. His focus was off, he wanted to quit and was asked to stay. He did, and Gauthier was asked to play a larger role.

I do not think of the Gainey era as a homerun, but it beat the previous two regimes, without a shadow of a doubt.
Think of the Gomez deal as payback for the years with Kovalev,that's how I deal with that farce.

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09-21-2012, 04:45 PM
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Getting rid of Plekanec for a pick would be one of the worst moves ever, on par with the Gomez for McDonagh trade. Plekanec is extremely underrated. It's not because you have 3 great centremen (Pleks, DD and Eller) and a rising star in the making (Galchenyuk) that it means we got to get rid of some of them now. Let them fight for the top spot. Competition has never been a bad thing.

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Getting rid of Plekanec for a pick would be one of the worst moves ever, on par with the Gomez for McDonagh trade. Plekanec is extremely underrated. It's not because you have 3 great centremen (Pleks, DD and Eller) and a rising star in the making (Galchenyuk) that it means we got to get rid of some of them now. Let them fight for the top spot. Competition has never been a bad thing.
It's better to sell an asset when it's high.

Think of what Philadelphia did. They had Giroux and Briere, so they traded Carter and Richards for Voracek, Schenn, Simmonds, and Couturier in order to have a perennial contender.

They didn't wait until some of the players had played themselves out of a roster spot and declined in value.

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Think of the Gomez deal as payback for the years with Kovalev,that's how I deal with that farce.
That's a good way of looking at it for those of us who like what Kovalev brought to Montreal.


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09-21-2012, 09:30 PM
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Think of the Gomez deal as payback for the years with Kovalev,that's how I deal with that farce.
I look at it this way: With McDo and say Koivu on the team last year, and not Gomer, we don't finish 3rd last, and we don't get Gally.

IE: It was Mcdo and Higgins for Gally.

Helps me sleep at night.

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09-23-2012, 12:40 PM
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...a trade for a spectacular Timmins pick, Halak.

You're right, Higgins was drafted by Savard, but it still goes to show that drafting has not been a problem for the Habs. Contrary to the OP's claim, Armstrong and Prust were not signed because of Montreal's inability to draft depth forwards.
It wouldn't have been feasible to retain Halak and Price and Gauthier decided to trade Halak. It was not a reflection on Timmins, who was the one one who spotted Halak after he was overlooked by other teams.

Timmins drafted a number of serviceable bottom six forwards. However, the Habs, like other teams, can't hold on to everyone indefinitely. Some third liners complain too much when they're not assigned to the top lines and become a distraction.

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