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09-20-2012, 12:54 PM
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This doesn't factor in the fact that MPS is bigger, stonger,faster, younger and actually has a defensive aspect to his game.
Yeah, when they're in the same draft class you can't bust out the "omgz he's younger" thing. It's stupid when it's a matter of less than a year.

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09-20-2012, 01:48 PM
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no room for either on EDM top 6 going forward.
Paajarvi would be a better option on 3rd line.

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09-20-2012, 01:50 PM
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Value isn't bad. Paajarvi maybe has a bit more due to being more proven, but trade makes no sense for either team.

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09-20-2012, 01:58 PM
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vlaue is there, preference isn't, leafs keep kadri. they could have drafted mps.
Ya and they also could've drafted Giroux and either Eberle or Karlsson... But they felt Tlusty and Schenn were better. Great argument. How are they working out for ya?

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09-20-2012, 02:17 PM
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Ya and they also could've drafted Giroux and either Eberle or Karlsson... But they felt Tlusty and Schenn were better. Great argument. How are they working out for ya?
.... I shouldn't

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09-20-2012, 02:20 PM
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This doesn't factor in the fact that MPS is bigger, stonger,faster, younger and actually has a defensive aspect to his game.
He's awesome.

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09-20-2012, 02:22 PM
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Ya and they also could've drafted Giroux and either Eberle or Karlsson... But they felt Tlusty and Schenn were better. Great argument. How are they working out for ya?
How many teams passed on Giroux? How many let Karlson fall? Stop being a smartass.

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09-20-2012, 02:36 PM
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How many teams passed on Giroux? How many let Karlson fall? Stop being a smartass.
I'm not being a smartass. I'm pointing out to OP that just because a team passed on someone doesn't make that person inferior to the player they did take

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09-20-2012, 02:58 PM
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Kadri is 6.3 months older than Paajarvi.

Last season...

Paajarvi: 8 points in 41 games (NHL)
Kadri: 7 points in 21 games (NHL)

Paajarvi: 25 points in 34 games (AHL)
Kadri: 40 points in 48 games (AHL)

Paajarvi: 11 points in 14 games (AHL playoffs)
Kadri: 10 points in 11 games (AHL playoffs)

NHL career totals...

Paajarvi: 42 points in 121 games (0.347 PPG)
Kadri: 19 points in 51 games (0.372 PPG)

AHL career totals...

Paajarvi: 25 points in 34 games (0.735 PPG)
Kadri: 81 points in 92 games (0.880 PPG)
Paajarvi is twice the defensive player that Kadri is.

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09-20-2012, 03:00 PM
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Kadri is 6.3 months older than Paajarvi.

Last season...

Paajarvi: 8 points in 41 games (NHL)
Kadri: 7 points in 21 games (NHL)

Paajarvi: 25 points in 34 games (AHL)
Kadri: 40 points in 48 games (AHL)

Paajarvi: 11 points in 14 games (AHL playoffs)
Kadri: 10 points in 11 games (AHL playoffs)

NHL career totals...

Paajarvi: 42 points in 121 games (0.347 PPG)
Kadri: 19 points in 51 games (0.372 PPG)

AHL career totals...

Paajarvi: 25 points in 34 games (0.735 PPG)
Kadri: 81 points in 92 games (0.880 PPG)

Yeah but he might of been using golf math where you know the lower score = better player?


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Ya and they also could've drafted Giroux and either Eberle or Karlsson... But they felt Tlusty and Schenn were better. Great argument. How are they working out for ya?
Want to rethink that buddy?

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09-20-2012, 03:16 PM
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Want to rethink that buddy?
Ummm.... Are you saying you think Tlusty and Schenn are better?

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09-20-2012, 03:18 PM
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I'm not being a smartass. I'm pointing out to OP that just because a team passed on someone doesn't make that person inferior to the player they did take
Well I'd also say it's a little ridiculous since MPS, Giroux and Karlson don''t belong in the same sentence.

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09-20-2012, 03:19 PM
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i'd rather kadri tbh

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09-20-2012, 03:24 PM
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Value seems fair. The Leafs will probably prefer to keep the only hopeful center prospect they have, even though he's a project, but theoretically fair.

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09-20-2012, 03:28 PM
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These two have equal value. Nothing either of them has done would warrant either being more value than the other.

Basically, you're trading one egg you have for another egg your friend has. You have no idea if it's going to be a chicken, snake or dragon. And there is always the chance you'll just end up with a yoke.

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Value seems fair. The Leafs will probably prefer to keep the only hopeful center prospect they have, even though he's a project, but theoretically fair.
He's not really a C anymore.

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09-20-2012, 03:32 PM
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Well I'd also say it's a little ridiculous since MPS, Giroux and Karlson don''t belong in the same sentence.
Fine, change Giroux to Chris Stewart and Eberle and Karlsson to Hodgson and Gardiner. The point still stands and its ridiculous to say just because we took this person before someone else means that they're a better player

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09-20-2012, 04:14 PM
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Hall/RNH/Eberle
Yakupov/Gagner/Kadri

softest top 6 in the league. Terrible idea.
The ironic thing about this is Kadri is probably the grittiest guy up there with the exception of maybe Hall. Kadri plays a pest game in the AHL and draws a craptonne of penalties. He's not the biggest, but suggesting he makes EDM soft makes no sense.

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09-20-2012, 04:31 PM
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Ummm.... Are you saying you think Tlusty and Schenn are better?
Well the year Edmonton took Sam Gagner. They could of instead taken the following....


- Logan Couture
- Ryan McDonagh
- Brandon Sutter


In 2006 Edmonton first round pick (Which was traded for Dwayne Roloson.) and from their point assuming they finished the same could of drafted the following...


- Chris Stewart
- Claude Giroux
- Patrick Berglund


In 2004 Edmonton would draft Devin Dubynk they could of had...


- Cory Schneider
- Mike Green

This one has to be my favorite of all though.

"The Edmonton Oilers trade the 17th pick (Zach Parise) to the New Jersey Devils for the 22nd pick (Marc-Antoine Pouliot) and the 68th pick (Jean-Francois Jacques)."

But they could of got someone other than Parise as well. They also had the following to pick from...

- Ryan Getzlaf
- Mike Richards
- Corey Parry
- Ryan Kesler
- Loui Ericsson
- Patrice Bergeron
- Shea Weber
- David Backes
- Jimmy Howard


What is my whole point from doing this?

It is pretty damn easy to sit back now and say "Gee I should of drafted this guy." But who would of thought at the time of this Shea Weber a guy who went 49th overall and is a contender for the Norris every year would turn out the way he did? because it seems 48 times people said "Nah".


Oh also I do have time if you would like I can go back farther to show all of the flaws Edmonton made drafting.

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09-20-2012, 04:53 PM
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both players have potentiel to play in the NHL but still have alot to prove,maybe that trade pans out and both players reach their potentiel but they're also still young and have time to improve their game and has for the trade,i dont think either team pulls the trigger

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09-20-2012, 05:00 PM
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Well the year Edmonton took Sam Gagner. They could of instead taken the following....


- Logan Couture
- Ryan McDonagh
- Brandon Sutter


In 2006 Edmonton first round pick (Which was traded for Dwayne Roloson.) and from their point assuming they finished the same could of drafted the following...


- Chris Stewart
- Claude Giroux
- Patrick Berglund


In 2004 Edmonton would draft Devin Dubynk they could of had...


- Cory Schneider
- Mike Green

This one has to be my favorite of all though.

"The Edmonton Oilers trade the 17th pick (Zach Parise) to the New Jersey Devils for the 22nd pick (Marc-Antoine Pouliot) and the 68th pick (Jean-Francois Jacques)."

But they could of got someone other than Parise as well. They also had the following to pick from...

- Ryan Getzlaf
- Mike Richards
- Corey Parry
- Ryan Kesler
- Loui Ericsson
- Patrice Bergeron
- Shea Weber
- David Backes
- Jimmy Howard


What is my whole point from doing this?

It is pretty damn easy to sit back now and say "Gee I should of drafted this guy." But who would of thought at the time of this Shea Weber a guy who went 49th overall and is a contender for the Norris every year would turn out the way he did? because it seems 48 times people said "Nah".


Oh also I do have time if you would like I can go back farther to show all of the flaws Edmonton made drafting.
Wow... I don't think it's possible to respond with a post farther from the point. I'm actually laughing. I never criticized Toronto for picking who they did. If you actually read my posts, I've been stating that the argument that because someone was drafted earlier makes them better is completely false and has no evidence to support it

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09-20-2012, 05:10 PM
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A big no thank you from the oilers. How would Kadri benefit us in any way,shape,or form?

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09-20-2012, 05:30 PM
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The ironic thing about this is Kadri is probably the grittiest guy up there with the exception of maybe Hall. Kadri plays a pest game in the AHL and draws a craptonne of penalties. He's not the biggest, but suggesting he makes EDM soft makes no sense.
That's what I was thinking, we'll keep Kadri. Am I the only one thats happy Leafs management keeps our young guys in the minors a little while to develop now?

Kadris time is coming.

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09-20-2012, 06:14 PM
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Wow... I don't think it's possible to respond with a post farther from the point. I'm actually laughing. I never criticized Toronto for picking who they did. If you actually read my posts, I've been stating that the argument that because someone was drafted earlier makes them better is completely false and has no evidence to support it
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Ya and they also could've drafted Giroux and either Eberle or Karlsson... But they felt Tlusty and Schenn were better. Great argument. How are they working out for ya?

Kinda can be taken as "Could of drafted X but instead you took Y." Just took what you done and spun it around on Edmonton.

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09-20-2012, 06:38 PM
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This doesn't factor in the fact that MPS is bigger, stonger,faster, younger and actually has a defensive aspect to his game.
Or toi or power play time

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09-20-2012, 06:49 PM
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Meh.

Unoriginal idea is unoriginal.

Leafs fans like Kadri, Oiler fans like MPS.

Both players are probably going to disappoint in their NHL careers.

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