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09-21-2012, 08:06 PM
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Patrick Kane and his value

Here we have Kane, a player with excellent puck skills and vision,he has amassed 369 points in 399 games and is great in the playoffs adding 52 points so far in 51 games.

After wrist problems he had an off year with only 66 points, and on this site it seems his value has plummeted big time.

Size has never been an issue for Kane, always producing even in the playoffs.

Value wise I'm curious what do you feel he is worth?

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09-21-2012, 08:08 PM
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Also played out of position for 50 games.

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Kane is an elite player.

The return would be another elite player, he won't be traded for quantity.

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09-21-2012, 08:16 PM
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Better than Toews imo.

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09-21-2012, 08:18 PM
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Better than Toews imo.
Nope. Nooooooooooopeeee. Not a chance. Toews is a beast.

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09-21-2012, 08:20 PM
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Kesler for Kane as a basis? Even thouugh your rivals?

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I don't know.

Seems like fans of opposing teams want to look at his declining point totals and his questionable off-ice antics, but Blackhawks fans look at him as the player he was when he had those PPG seasons.

I think the value is somewhere in between there. You could slot him in with having the value of Kovalchuk, Carter, Richards, in my opinion.

They should get in a return, a solid but not spectacular player. A nice young player with potential one on the fringe of an NHL roster spot, a prospect and the prospect depends on the other pieces' value, and a pick which again depends on the value of the deals. Obviously, different values may exclude some pieces like a higher-caliber NHL player going to CHI would give them a lower-caliber prospect or none at all.

The problem is when trade proposals are constructed, they use players that other teams don't want or the other teams value highly. When you see these deals for high caliber players get done, it's guys that aren't needed anymore in organizations for whatever reason. Look at the Nash deal and Kovalchuk deal as examples.

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Nope. Nooooooooooopeeee. Not a chance. Toews is a beast.
Toews' two-way game is not enough to make up for the difference in points.

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09-21-2012, 08:23 PM
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His value has only seemingly dropped due to his bad publicity. As long as he produces on the ice though his value will still be high. His lowest point total in a season in his entire NHL career is 66 which was this past season. Damn impressive and the offer would have to be as such to get him out of Chicago.

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Kesler for Kane as a basis? Even thouugh your rivals?
Not interested.

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Toews' two-way game is not enough to make up for the difference in points.
Difference in points?

Toews - .90 PPG

Kane - .92 PPG

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Not interested.
That's okay. Neither are we.

Kane deserves at least a very good second line player and a blue chip prospect.

There's no reason to trade him for anything less. Truthfully, even that kind of package might not be enough to sway the Hawks.

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09-21-2012, 08:35 PM
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Difference in points?

Toews - .90 PPG

Kane - .92 PPG
Kane's last season skewed the stats

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He doesn't get enough credit around here or in the media. Can't understand it. Sure, he's got no physical or defensive game but he hit 70 points in each of his first four seasons and had 66 last year despite playing a new position. All the offensive tools and the hockey sense to use them fully.

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Id say Kanes value is in line with Kessels, maybe a bit more. I'm a big time fan of his game (hockey, that is it). Incredibly shifty and dynamic in the offensive zone, you don't find many players like that.

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Also played out of position for 50 games.
I keep seeing you repeat this? Did he play D or goal? Otherwise, what does it mean? He's a PPG winger, but when he has to play center, which has more defensive responsibility, he's a 60 point player?

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Kane's last season skewed the stats
And Toews' concussions skewed the stats...

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And Toews' concussions skewed the stats...
I fail to see. How?

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I keep seeing you repeat this? Did he play D or goal? Otherwise, what does it mean? He's a PPG winger, but when he has to play center, which has more defensive responsibility, he's a 60 point player?
It means that he is primarily a winger and had to make the transition to center this year because of the Hawks deficiency of a second line center to go along with Toews.

If he is a PPG winger but a 60 point center it means he is more effective on the wing than at center. I thought that was pretty obvious.

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I fail to see. How?
I'm pretty sure he was playing with a concussion before he actually stopped playing this past season. I might be wrong though.

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I'm pretty sure he was playing with a concussion before he actually stopped playing during this past season. I might be wrong though.
Could be but the way I see it Toews is ~0.90ppg player and Kane is roughly point per game player. I just like Kane better and I know majority will disagree with me.

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It means that he is primarily a winger and had to make the transition to center this year because of the Hawks deficiency of a second line center to go along with Toews.

If he is a PPG winger but a 60 point center it means he is more effective on the wing than at center. I thought that was pretty obvious.
If he's "elite", he's elite anywhere you put him (up front). I think it is pretty misleading to say the guy is elite if he can only be elite if he doesn't have to play a complete game. Since this thread is about value, and folks brought a comparison to Toews, how much more effective offensively would Toews be if he didn't have to play a two-way game? How about Hossa? How about Sharp?

I think Kane is a very good player, but I don't think he's elite, like some folks have suggested.

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Toews' two-way game is not enough to make up for the difference in points.
Toews got more points than Kane in 10/11 and had a better PPG last season.... He scores more goals and is an elite defensive player.

Toews no question.

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If he's "elite", he's elite anywhere you put him (up front). I think it is pretty misleading to say the guy is elite if he can only be elite if he doesn't have to play a complete game. Since this thread is about value, and folks brought a comparison to Toews, how much more effective offensively would Toews be if he didn't have to play a two-way game? How about Hossa? How about Sharp?

I think Kane is a very good player, but I don't think he's elite, like some folks have suggested.
Wow, it has nothing to do with whether he can play a two-way game or not. Kane did an admirable job in the defensive zone as a center last season, especially considering it's not his natural position.

It's that he is a winger who was forced to completely change his mental state while playing the game due to the switch to center. It's a completely different game at that position... he had to go against his typical instincts and quite obviously his offense suffered.

Stick Hossa at center, he's not going to be putting up another 70+ point season. That isn't a slight to him... that doesn't even make any sense. It's simply that when you change a player's position, they will have trouble producing as much as at their natural position.

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