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09-22-2012, 09:27 AM
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Do you value Gibson more or less than Brobovsky and lindback ?
Should be significantly less than both.

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09-22-2012, 09:47 AM
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The Ducks say no. This trade does not address any of the Ducks needs and they give up a top 5 prospect.

Gibson is one of the best goalie prospects in the world right now.

Colbourne adds nothing when Anaheim has Bonino and Holland.

The Ducks have literally 0 need for a Dman, NHL or prospect.

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09-22-2012, 11:25 AM
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To the Leafs:

John Gibson G


To the Ducks:

Cody Franson D
Joe Colborne C



Why? The leafs need a goaltender. John Gibson is a good goaltending prospect and certainly has starting potential. The Ducks would love a good second line center, Big Joe could fill that need as early as next season. Cody Franson would be a good bottom pairing guy on Anaheim and add to that good D core.
No reason for the Ducks to do this, trade a potential #1 goaltender for a prospect that at best is on par with Peter Holland atm and a d-man we have no need for? No thanks.


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if we target a ducks goalie it's hiller we need a #1 not a prospect
Good luck making up a package that makes the Ducks consider it for more then 5 seconds.

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09-22-2012, 02:37 PM
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Don't you guys need a second line center? Like I said, Colborne is a good prospect and could be that big offensive playmaking second line C for you guys. Franson would make your D core slightly better aswell and improve your PP.
If you guys are looking for a center and Colborne isn't one of the answers, he isn't going to be attractive to us when we have Peter Holland and William Karlsson. As for Franson we're pretty solid on D now. Beauchemin, Souray, Fowler, Sbisa, Vatanen, Lindholm, Clark, Welinski, Cooper...we're good I think. Ducks will like the prospect of having five options in Hiller, Fasth, Andersen, Gibson, and Bobkov over the next few years

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09-22-2012, 09:48 PM
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When did I say the Leafs goaltending prospects were special?? Gibson is really no different than Scrivens/Owuya/Rynnas. In fact, he's probably a notch below Scrivens, simply because Scrivens has actually shown some ability at the NHL level. Do you see any Leafs fans pimping out these guys as having the ability to get NHL players and other team's top prospects, in the same deal!?

Franson is a high quality bottom pairing defenceman at this point in his career, and not worth trading for a project goaltender. He's also one of our 6 best, which means we're not trading him for a prospect, period.
I never stated anything to you about Toronto goalies. I was poking fun at how you can compleletly discredited the Ducks prospect who's probably the best goalie in all of junior hockey at the moment. Then you turn around and tell us how Colborne who hasn't proven squat and never cracked 40pts in the AHL has a "TON" of upside because he is large. Lmao


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09-23-2012, 02:34 AM
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Don't you guys need a second line center? Like I said, Colborne is a good prospect and could be that big offensive playmaking second line C for you guys. Franson would make your D core slightly better aswell and improve your PP.
Colborne isn't even better than our own C prospect Peter Holland....

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09-23-2012, 07:05 AM
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If you guys are looking for a center and Colborne isn't one of the answers, he isn't going to be attractive to us when we have Peter Holland and William Karlsson. As for Franson we're pretty solid on D now. Beauchemin, Souray, Fowler, Sbisa, Vatanen, Lindholm, Clark, Welinski, Cooper...we're good I think. Ducks will like the prospect of having five options in Hiller, Fasth, Andersen, Gibson, and Bobkov over the next few years
Don't forget about Rakell who is transitioning well to center and Andrew O'Brien as a defense prospect. We're pretty solid in both those pipelines, like various other Ducks fans have mentioned.

And at so many people discrediting John Gibson. I'm sure if the Leafs kept that 39th overall pick instead of packaging it for Biggs, they'd be pimping him too. He's damn good.

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09-23-2012, 07:16 AM
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Don't forget about Rakell who is transitioning well to center and Andrew O'Brien as a defense prospect. We're pretty solid in both those pipelines, like various other Ducks fans have mentioned.

And at so many people discrediting John Gibson. I'm sure if the Leafs kept that 39th overall pick instead of packaging it for Biggs, they'd be pimping him too. He's damn good.
If Gibson was a Leafs prospect he'd be getting the same hype Pogge got several years ago

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09-23-2012, 07:21 AM
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If Gibson was a Leafs prospect he'd be getting the same hype Pogge got several years ago
Maybe not quite the hype Pogge got, because Pogge helped Canada win World Juniors, but close to that, all things considered.

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I just wanted to say that I live in Pittsburgh and I think Gibson is the best player from Pittsburgh I have ever seen. I think he will be a starting goaltender in the NHL for a long time, I am not going to project where he falls in among the starters in the league, but he will be a starter in my opinion.

Granted, being the best ever from Pittsburgh isn't exactly the same as being the best ever from Toronto, but I think he is pretty far above everyone else.

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Would the Ducks trade Emerson Etem + Francois Beauchemin for Jussi Rynnas?

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Would the Ducks trade Emerson Etem + Francois Beauchemin for Jussi Rynnas?
lol?

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I never stated anything to you about Toronto goalies. I was poking fun at how you can compleletly discredited the Ducks prospect who's probably the best goalie in all of junior hockey at the moment. Then you turn around and tell us how Colborne who hasn't proven squat and never cracked 40pts in the AHL has a "TON" of upside because he is large. Lmao
I completely discredit the Ducks' goalie prospect because even if he is the best goalie in Junior hockey at the moment, that means incredibly little in the context of being an NHL starting goalie. The position is simply way too hard to predict until the guy actually starts playing in the NHL.

As for Colborne, the guy has shown some upside putting up 6 points in 11 NHL games... and in regards to his AHL performance, your math needs some work.

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Maybe not quite the hype Pogge got, because Pogge helped Canada win World Juniors, but close to that, all things considered.
How did that turn out??? Heck, let's go back 5-6 years ago and see how late 1st and 2nd round goaltenders turned out. Joel Gistedt, Antoine Lafleur, Trevor Cann, Jeremy Smith, Leland Irving, Michal Neuvirth, Jhonas Enroth, Tyler Plante, Jeff Frazee, Ondrej Pavelec, Pier-Olivier Pelletier. How many of those names do you recognize?


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09-23-2012, 09:02 AM
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Holland isn't a better prospect than Colborne or atleast that's the consensus from scouts or the scouting lists I've seen. Colborne was also the best player in the AHL and dominated until a second half filled with injuries.

And settle down guys. Attacking the leafs fanbase for no reason in this thread is just uncalled for. If the leafs had Gibson blah blah hur dur. Why don't you just stick to the proposal. I am fully aware how good John Gibson is, being a huge Kitchener Rangers fan and watching him for a while now. He's a tremendous prospect, definitely one of the best goalies.

But anyways, instead of Franson what would you guys prefer?

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09-23-2012, 09:18 AM
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Would the Ducks trade Emerson Etem + Francois Beauchemin for Jussi Rynnas?
We better throw in Ryan just to make sure

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No reason for the Ducks to do this, trade a potential #1 goaltender for a prospect that at best is on par with Peter Holland atm and a d-man we have no need for? No thanks.



Good luck making up a package that makes the Ducks consider it for more then 5 seconds.
that was not my point ducks may not consider it but the fact is we don't need another prospect goalie

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09-23-2012, 09:41 AM
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I completely discredit the Ducks' goalie prospect because even if he is the best goalie in Junior hockey at the moment, that means incredibly little in the context of being an NHL starting goalie. The position is simply way too hard to predict until the guy actually starts playing in the NHL.

As for Colborne, the guy has shown some upside putting up 6 points in 11 NHL games... and in regards to his AHL performance, your math needs some work.



How did that turn out??? Heck, let's go back 5-6 years ago and see how late 1st and 2nd round goaltenders turned out. Joel Gistedt, Antoine Lafleur, Trevor Cann, Jeremy Smith, Leland Irving, Michal Neuvirth, Jhonas Enroth, Tyler Plante, Jeff Frazee, Ondrej Pavelec, Pier-Olivier Pelletier. How many of those names do you recognize?
7 of them

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09-23-2012, 09:46 AM
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Would the Ducks trade Emerson Etem + Francois Beauchemin for Jussi Rynnas?
Can we sub in Getzlaf and Perry instead?

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Holland isn't a better prospect than Colborne or atleast that's the consensus from scouts or the scouting lists I've seen. Colborne was also the best player in the AHL and dominated until a second half filled with injuries.

And settle down guys. Attacking the leafs fanbase for no reason in this thread is just uncalled for. If the leafs had Gibson blah blah hur dur. Why don't you just stick to the proposal. I am fully aware how good John Gibson is, being a huge Kitchener Rangers fan and watching him for a while now. He's a tremendous prospect, definitely one of the best goalies.

But anyways, instead of Franson what would you guys prefer?
Kyle Palmieri was 1 point behind him after 2 months, before Joe got hurt. Hard to say he was "The best player in the AHL".

Palmieri only had 2 goals in the last 14 games. He had 31 goals in the first 37 games before starting he journeys across country. I'll take that all day.

I would love Colborne but he is a very similar prospect to what we have in Holland and I see no reason to trade our best goalie prospect for something we dont NEED. Just creating another hole.

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09-23-2012, 10:23 AM
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that was not my point ducks may not consider it but the fact is we don't need another prospect goalie
So the point of your post, was in fact, not what you wrote in your post?

Fascinating stuff, please tell me more.

And my point was, even if you were to target Hiller as you need a #1 goaltender, good luck making a package that the Ducks consider.

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I completely discredit the Ducks' goalie prospect because even if he is the best goalie in Junior hockey at the moment, that means incredibly little in the context of being an NHL starting goalie. The position is simply way too hard to predict until the guy actually starts playing in the NHL.

As for Colborne, the guy has shown some upside putting up 6 points in 11 NHL games... and in regards to his AHL performance, your math needs some work.
Oh I apologize he scored 42pts between two clubs. Lol..... You're right, I should of known that qualifies as a "ton" of upside. Lol

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Would the Ducks trade Emerson Etem + Francois Beauchemin for Jussi Rynnas?
You realize the OP was proposed by a Leafs fan, correct?

Secondly, even if you don't like the OP, Beauch/Etem for Rynnas is not a good comparison to Colborne/Franson for Gibson.

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value is good, but neither team does it.

I'm very excited for Gibson btw, amazing goalie prospect.

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Holland isn't a better prospect than Colborne or atleast that's the consensus from scouts or the scouting lists I've seen. Colborne was also the best player in the AHL and dominated until a second half filled with injuries.

And settle down guys. Attacking the leafs fanbase for no reason in this thread is just uncalled for. If the leafs had Gibson blah blah hur dur. Why don't you just stick to the proposal. I am fully aware how good John Gibson is, being a huge Kitchener Rangers fan and watching him for a while now. He's a tremendous prospect, definitely one of the best goalies.

But anyways, instead of Franson what would you guys prefer?
Were these scouting lists compiled by Leafs fans?
Holland had a more productive rookie season last year, than Colborne ever has, and like Colborne, Holland was viewed as a project when drafted so i'm not sure what the reasoning is for anyone thinking Colborne is better at all, nothing backs it up

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Massive overpayment.

Even if Reimer doesn't regain his form, Gibson won't be a legitimate contender for the starter's spot for at least 2-3 years.

Franson is a 30-point powerplay specialist RIGHT NOW. Colborne is a top-9 center SOON.

If we're going to be giving something like this it should at least be for a guy that's ready to contribute right now, like Bernier.

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Scrivens does look good, but keep in mind AHL dominance doesn't allows transition. Jason LaBarbera was a former 2-time AHL MVP!!! That's right not just top goalie but top player.


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