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09-22-2012, 12:50 PM
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Average Joe doesn't matter. Professional athletes are a skilled elite with talent and dedication at the extreme end of the bell curve, they are not average. The proper comparison are elite musicians, movie stars, etc.

ETA: A max pacioretty story. When he was ~6 years old, his mother would wake up and wake him up at 5am on weekends to take him to hockey practice, because he loved the game that much. Most of you live your lives without ever having that kind of dedication, hence, you are average.
You'd think only NHL players had this dedication. I was too waking up at 5am to practice on weekends. Then I'd go play pond hockey in the afternoon. I was dedicated as hell for hockey. Then, torn ACL on my last soccer game, which was the night before the midget espoir camp begins. I was cut till midget A although I played AA/AAA my whole life. Lost a whole year of hockey and it took me 2 years before I get my speed back. The window was pretty much closed for me.

Now, I don't think I had close enough talent at my size to have a career in Hockey. My point is; that's life. Some people study for years in cegep/university and it's never enough to crack the admissions in med school. So I certainly won't cry for a hockey player that couldn't crack an NHL line-up. That's life. And if by 30 years old he only played the avg of 5 years, he's in no way in a bad situation. Some people with no education/qualifications lose their job at 40-50 years old. They didn't have the luxury of gathering a few millions during that time though. Former NHLers could still make a good amount of money with hockey schools. I do not piety one second the guy who had a short NHL career. He knew those facts.

And with their guaranteed contracts, NHLers have far less risks then some owners. Some owners need to have a winning team to make money. Therefore, they need to overpay the good players because other rich owners will do. Vicious cycle created because the salary cap related to the revenues was badly addressed. Too much room to spend for rich teams every year dragging the overbids. I know it's the owners that implemented it, but it clearly cant stay that way.

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09-22-2012, 01:02 PM
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And the team was fined by the league for his comments.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sport...rticle4561408/

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And the team was fined by the league for his comments.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sport...rticle4561408/
Wow. Yeah, I guess they really do value keeping it tight.

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Logically, a lockout is against Bettman's personal interests, as it makes his job of growing/marketing the game more difficult.
Yes. That's why I don't get where people say these things. Didn't revenue go up 400 mil to 3.3 bil under bettman?

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What this tells me is that hockey is no different then any other form of mainstream entertainment these days. It is no longer about the love of the craft nor the thrill of doing something you love, but a way to make ludicrous amounts of lucre while enabling themselves to live fabulous rock star lives.

Once again it shall be the working class that suffers. Those of us that slave for corporations that make fortunes off of our backs, off of those that have no choice but to work for them. Us that look to entertainment and sports as a way to escape the mundane lives we live and have something to cheer for.

As retaliation, I will no longer purchase any form of NHL licensed or endorsed products. This includes clothing and collectables, video games (I have bought and played every EA game since NHLPA in 1992) and tickets to NHL matches.

Let the players play out their careers in the KHL and the owners sit in their empty buildings. I hope their greed brings them nothing but distress. Balls to the lot of them.

My only hope is that RDS and TSN pick up the AHL season.

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09-22-2012, 08:38 PM
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Actually, I take back the part about the players playing out their careers in the KHL, and any other Euro league for that matter. When a locked-out NHLer signs to play with a Euro team; he is taking a roster spot from another player and I can't abide such a thought. It is further evidence of the NHLPA's greedy, grabbing tendencies.

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Now, I don't think I had close enough talent at my size to have a career in Hockey. My point is; that's life. Some people study for years in cegep/university and it's never enough to crack the admissions in med school. So I certainly won't cry for a hockey player that couldn't crack an NHL line-up. That's life. And if by 30 years old he only played the avg of 5 years, he's in no way in a bad situation. Some people with no education/qualifications lose their job at 40-50 years old. They didn't have the luxury of gathering a few millions during that time though. Former NHLers could still make a good amount of money with hockey schools. I do not piety one second the guy who had a short NHL career. He knew those facts.

And with their guaranteed contracts, NHLers have far less risks then some owners. Some owners need to have a winning team to make money. Therefore, they need to overpay the good players because other rich owners will do. Vicious cycle created because the salary cap related to the revenues was badly addressed. Too much room to spend for rich teams every year dragging the overbids. I know it's the owners that implemented it, but it clearly cant stay that way.
Thank you for writing what I was one part too lazy to type and one part not able to word so well. Nice post.

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09-22-2012, 10:06 PM
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For all the talk about getting what they deserve, the NHLPA failed to file Boogaard's paperwork in time for his family to collect the rest of his owed salary.

I guess helping out families doesn't effect Don Fehr's legacy, so why bother?

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09-23-2012, 03:36 PM
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#Habs Tomas Plekanec now has 3 goals and 4 assists in 3 games for HC Kladno of the top Czech league. #GoHabsGo #Canadiens

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09-23-2012, 04:13 PM
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#Habs Tomas Plekanec now has 3 goals and 4 assists in 3 games for HC Kladno of the top Czech league. #GoHabsGo #Canadiens
No contact, the perfect game for him...

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Cool story

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Sorry if this has been answered before I didn't read the whole thing but what is Andrei Markov up to? He playing anywhere? I hope he's not thinking about retirement.

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Cool story
What there is something wrong with the truth ?

He is the perfect international player....for the habs mehhh !

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09-23-2012, 06:02 PM
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What there is something wrong with the truth ?

He is the perfect international player....for the habs mehhh !
Yeah, right.

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09-23-2012, 07:52 PM
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And with their guaranteed contracts, NHLers have far less risks then some owners. Some owners need to have a winning team to make money. Therefore, they need to overpay the good players because other rich owners will do. Vicious cycle created because the salary cap related to the revenues was badly addressed. Too much room to spend for rich teams every year dragging the overbids. I know it's the owners that implemented it, but it clearly cant stay that way.
And what of the NHL franchises which depend so much on govt subsidies. For example, since 1997, the city of Nashville has provided the Preds with over $100-million in subsidies plus a new $230-million arena. Yes there's risk there but for taxpayers not owners.

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And what of the NHL franchises which depend so much on govt subsidies. For example, since 1997, the city of Nashville has provided the Preds with over $100-million in subsidies plus a new $230-million arena. Yes there's risk there but for taxpayers not owners.
Same thing that is being talked about for the Yotes.

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09-24-2012, 05:47 AM
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#Habs Max Pacioretty has signed with Ambri-Piotta in the Swiss A League. Full details here:http://www.hockeyinsideout.com/news/...-hab-to-europe

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haha I hope he knows what to expect in Ambri-Piotta

-two small villages at the end of the valley , 30 min away from Locarno
-arena not even fully closed, very cold in winter
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haha I hope he knows what to expect in Ambri-Piotta

-two small villages at the end of the valley , 30 min away from Locarno
-arena not even fully closed, very cold in winter
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Looks cool, playing hockey in the cold never killed anyone.. (I think.. lol).

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#Habs Max Pacioretty has signed with Ambri-Piotta in the Swiss A League. Full details here:http://www.hockeyinsideout.com/news/...-hab-to-europe
Good I like the fact that he will be playing. Hopefully others follow and please no injuries!!!

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I wonder if Price will sign in Europe.

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I wonder if Price will sign in Europe.
Read an article in the 24 Heures paper where Pierre Groulx suggests Price should sign in Europe ASAP, to keep his reflexes up to speed and not gain any rust during the lock-out.

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You'd think only NHL players had this dedication. I was too waking up at 5am to practice on weekends. Then I'd go play pond hockey in the afternoon. I was dedicated as hell for hockey. Then, torn ACL on my last soccer game, which was the night before the midget espoir camp begins. I was cut till midget A although I played AA/AAA my whole life. Lost a whole year of hockey and it took me 2 years before I get my speed back. The window was pretty much closed for me.

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And with their guaranteed contracts, NHLers have far less risks then some owners. Some owners need to have a winning team to make money. Therefore, they need to overpay the good players because other rich owners will do. Vicious cycle created because the salary cap related to the revenues was badly addressed. Too much room to spend for rich teams every year dragging the overbids. I know it's the owners that implemented it, but it clearly cant stay that way.
It seems to me that you have a double standard at work here. On the one hand, it's fine for NHL owners to do what any business enterprise does: maximize profits. On the other hand, when an NHL player (who is essentially a businessman selling his services on a contractual basis) does the same you cry foul.

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It seems to me that you have a double standard at work here. On the one hand, it's fine for NHL owners to do what any business enterprise does: maximize profits. On the other hand, when an NHL player (who is essentially a businessman selling his services on a contractual basis) does the same you cry foul.
It sounds like a double standard because the players have a whopping 57% of the shares. I want it to be in the 50/50 waters.

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It sounds like a double standard because the players have a whopping 57% of the shares.
A negotiated agreement is a double standard? How so? The only double standard at work here is your notion that owners can maximize profit while players can't.


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