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09-25-2012, 01:36 PM
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Briere plays some of the softest minutes in the NHL.

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I'm not sure he could either--but there's no reason for the Flyers to move him for a 2nd/3rd pairing depth.
Fair point, I guess I misunderstood Philly's D situation. So thats basically /thread I guess.

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Briere plays some of the softest minutes in the NHL.
Maybe. But when you pair that with a point per game in the playoffs, it ain't that bad.

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Maybe. But when you pair that with a point per game in the playoffs, it ain't that bad.
but when you pair that with some of the worst defense by a center in the NHL....it most definately isn't worth it. I am trying to remember how many goals he caused in his own end against NJ. He let a 4th line bully the **** out of him.

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09-25-2012, 05:22 PM
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Buffalo needs more centers lol. Want Horcoff?
Sure, but only if you take Leino in return.

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09-25-2012, 09:00 PM
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but when you pair that with some of the worst defense by a center in the NHL....it most definately isn't worth it. I am trying to remember how many goals he caused in his own end against NJ. He let a 4th line bully the **** out of him.
You're overstating it by a pretty wide margin but no, he's not on the roster for physical defense. And pretty much everyone in a Flyers jersey was getting knocked off the puck by Jersey.

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You're overstating it by a pretty wide margin but no, he's not on the roster for physical defense. And pretty much everyone in a Flyers jersey was getting knocked off the puck by Jersey.
I am not, he faces really weak competition and gets out possessed by them. Briere is as one dimensional a player as you will find. He is only offense.

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09-25-2012, 10:04 PM
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I am not, he faces really weak competition and gets out possessed by them. Briere is as one dimensional a player as you will find. He is only offense.
But hes so clutch!!1111!!

Last season, Briere was a poor man's 2nd line C.

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I am not, he faces really weak competition and gets out possessed by them. Briere is as one dimensional a player as you will find. He is only offense.
As a Flyers fan, I completely agree.

But I still wouldn't trade him straight up for Sekera.

He's on the team for offense and seems to be a good locker-room guy (and landlord).

It's just not worth it for the Flyers to move him for a a bit more defensive depth.

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I wouldn't mind him.

Then, Weiss is a UFA at the end of the season.

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As a Flyers fan, I completely agree.

But I still wouldn't trade him straight up for Sekera.

He's on the team for offense and seems to be a good locker-room guy (and landlord).

It's just not worth it for the Flyers to move him for a a bit more defensive depth.
Sekera isn't just 'depth' though. He'd be a legitimate top 4 defenseman on the Flyers.

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09-25-2012, 10:25 PM
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Sekera isn't just 'depth' though. He'd be a legitimate top 4 defenseman on the Flyers.
I'm not sure where he'd play, to be honest. But at best, he's a modest upgrade on Grossmann or Schenn on the 2nd pairing.

That improvement isn't worth the downgrade from Briere on offense.

That's the issue.

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09-25-2012, 10:48 PM
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But hes so clutch!!1111!!

Last season, Briere was a poor man's 2nd line C.
If we Briere was "so clutch." The Flyers would have won a cup with him by now.

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09-25-2012, 10:54 PM
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Sekera isn't just 'depth' though. He'd be a legitimate top 4 defenseman on the Flyers.
The Flyers need a legit #1 d-man, not more top 4 d-men. Briere, obviously, doesn't have that value.

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If we Briere was "so clutch." The Flyers would have won a cup with him by now.
One player wins a Stanley cup for a team?

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Only defenseman I'd want from Buffalo is Myers and that wouldn't happen for Briere so I wouldn't trade him there.

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Maybe. But when you pair that with a point per game in the playoffs, it ain't that bad.
I'm so sick of people saying this with Briere. Yes, he scored at a PPG in the playoffs and he was a -6. So all the good he does on offense, he gives it back AND THEN SOME on defense. He's giving up almost twice as many goals against as goals scored when he's on the ice. But people are so blinded by his PPG they seem to ignore this fact.

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09-26-2012, 09:53 AM
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I'm so sick of people saying this with Briere. Yes, he scored at a PPG in the playoffs and he was a -6. So all the good he does on offense, he gives it back AND THEN SOME on defense. He's giving up almost twice as many goals against as goals scored when he's on the ice. But people are so blinded by his PPG they seem to ignore this fact.
So +/-, eh?

No, he's certainly not a good defensive player - I would never argue that. His lack of size and defense defenitely counter acts what he's able to bring on offense. But after seeing more then my fair share of Flyers teams just simply find no possible way to score once the playoffs roll around, I can't dismiss a guy who's been automatic points in his playoff career. You spot him to play to his strengths (PP1, good offensize zone matchups) and absorb the things he doesn't bring. To me, that's worth more then another mid-pair defenseman that are moved by the bucket full at the trade deadline every year for draft picks.

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I doubt that Briere could bring back a defensive prospect like that.

Ya, and I doubt anyone would trade McDonough for Gomez' bad game and horrible contract. It happens.

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I'm in the camp that Briere does more harm than good, so you could have him for free. I would love to dump that contract, which is already becoming an issue and is going to be a larger one when we need to hand out some new contracts in the next couple years.

Briere has been a false hero for a while in Philly. He is so utterly clueless and terrible defensively that all of the good he creates is completely eradicated and then some.

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09-26-2012, 12:30 PM
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So +/-, eh?

No, he's certainly not a good defensive player - I would never argue that. His lack of size and defense defenitely counter acts what he's able to bring on offense. But after seeing more then my fair share of Flyers teams just simply find no possible way to score once the playoffs roll around, I can't dismiss a guy who's been automatic points in his playoff career. You spot him to play to his strengths (PP1, good offensize zone matchups) and absorb the things he doesn't bring. To me, that's worth more then another mid-pair defenseman that are moved by the bucket full at the trade deadline every year for draft picks.
You're being kind when you say he's not a good defensive player. He's atrocious at it. With Briere the Flyers play in 5-4 games instead of 3-2 games and everyone says "look, Briere is a PPG in the playoffs, he's awesome".

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