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09-24-2012, 10:25 PM
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but the taxpayers didnt get stuck with the bill.

listen, the sens were a terrible business investment in the 90's. Any canadian nhl team outside of toronto (even montreal) was a terrible business investment in the 90's. If a private investor wanted to take that risk, fine.

if the taxpayers had built them an arena, they still would have gone bankrupt, because they still lost tons of money and had borrowed the initial expansion fee. And then a new owner would have walked in and demanded more money from the taxpayers to 'operate' (read subsidize) the arena, all for the noble cause of keeping the team in ottawa (or else i'll go to houston).

ottawa would have been exactly like glendale is right now - stuck between blackmail and a white elephant.

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09-24-2012, 10:44 PM
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but the taxpayers didnt get stuck with the bill.

listen, the sens were a terrible business investment in the 90's. Any canadian nhl team outside of toronto (even montreal) was a terrible business investment in the 90's. If a private investor wanted to take that risk, fine.

if the taxpayers had built them an arena, they still would have gone bankrupt, because they still lost tons of money and had borrowed the initial expansion fee. And then a new owner would have walked in and demanded more money from the taxpayers to 'operate' (read subsidize) the arena, all for the noble cause of keeping the team in ottawa (or else i'll go to houston).

ottawa would have been exactly like glendale is right now - stuck between blackmail and a white elephant.
Oh, absolutely. No doubt about it, I completely agree with all of this.

My point was only that you said "bruce firestone, who figured out how to build an arena without public funds", and I wanted to point out that while he found a way to do it, it was possibly the worst way imaginable to do it. Sure, it was one step above public financing, but that's like saying that stepping in 1lb of manure is better than stepping in 2lbs of it.

They bungled almost every step of it. Points to them for actually getting the thing built, but it should be a case study in civil engineering and project management classes on how to avoid making the worst possible decisions on a project of it's size.

So yeah. We're definitely better for the way everything worked out, I think I just wanted to point out the pitfalls of comparing our arena history and scenarios to the theater that is being played out now in Edmonton between Katz and the city. If Katz used the Sens blueprint for building an arena, I would question both his business acumen and his sanity.

We cool.

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09-25-2012, 11:55 AM
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CBA negotiations between NHL-NHLPA to resume Friday as per Bobby Mac.

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09-25-2012, 12:07 PM
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CBA negotiations between NHL-NHLPA to resume Friday as per Bobby Mac.
Nice to see they're not rushing eh...

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09-26-2012, 08:55 AM
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Nice to see they're not rushing eh...
Be happy. Took them 3 months to start talking after the last lock out.

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09-26-2012, 08:59 AM
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Nice to see they're not rushing eh...
Bettman and Fehr are both Jewish and are celebrating a Jewish holiday that requires them not to work, so that appears to be why there is a delay. At least that is what they said on the Team1200.

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09-26-2012, 09:21 AM
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Bettman and Fehr are both Jewish and are celebrating a Jewish holiday that requires them not to work, so that appears to be why there is a delay. At least that is what they said on the Team1200.
lol wtf^

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lol wtf^
Poster claimed they were in no rush which I assumed they thought because the meeting wasn't until Friday. Simply giving some context!

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Oy Vey...

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09-26-2012, 03:08 PM
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Bettman and Fehr are both Jewish and are celebrating a Jewish holiday that requires them not to work, so that appears to be why there is a delay. At least that is what they said on the Team1200.
For real? It sounds more like a joke....

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Haven't you guys ever heard of Yom Kippur? It's only the single biggest holiday in the Jewish calendar. I'm sure they're both at the synagogue pretty much all day today

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09-26-2012, 03:26 PM
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Haven't you guys ever heard of Yom Kippur? It's only the single biggest holiday in the Jewish calendar. I'm sure they're both at the synagogue pretty much all day today
Never heard of it. I know Judaism has those "do nothing" days but did not know it was today.

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09-26-2012, 07:28 PM
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Glad to know their precious holiday is more important than all those people being put out of work.

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09-26-2012, 07:29 PM
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Glad to know their precious holiday is more important than all those people being put out of work.
careful. this is how wars start.

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Glad to know their precious holiday is more important than all those people being put out of work.
Ever watch Entourage? All of LA shuts down on this day.

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09-26-2012, 07:46 PM
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I wouldn't go there...


On topic though, hopefully some progress is made Friday. What are the chances of not missing any games? 1%?

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09-26-2012, 08:05 PM
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Sorry............... I just miss hockey so much.................

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09-27-2012, 09:53 AM
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Sorry............... I just miss hockey so much.................
Dude....I feel your pain. Coming home from work at night and watching a hockey game is my fall and winter ritual. Don`t know what the hell I`ll do now. NHL 13 just doesn`t do it for me. *sigh*

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09-27-2012, 09:56 AM
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Dude....I feel your pain. Coming home from work at night and watching a hockey game is my fall and winter ritual. Don`t know what the hell I`ll do now. NHL 13 just doesn`t do it for me. *sigh*
Exactly.

I'm wondering what's the point of working now









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09-27-2012, 10:09 AM
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Exactly.

I'm wondering what's the point of working now








True. What am I even going to spend all my extra money on? Guess I might have to start a heroin habit.

See what you are doing to me NHL!

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09-27-2012, 01:03 PM
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Dude....I feel your pain. Coming home from work at night and watching a hockey game is my fall and winter ritual. Don`t know what the hell I`ll do now. NHL 13 just doesn`t do it for me. *sigh*
Last NHL game I played was NHL 09 and I have to say I'm digging NHL 13 a whole lot!

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09-27-2012, 01:07 PM
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Last NHL game I played was NHL 09 and I have to say I'm digging NHL 13 a whole lot!
Yeah I'll have to get into it a little more. I haven't played much either the last five years so now's the perfect time to pick it up again.

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09-27-2012, 01:47 PM
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Glad to know their precious holiday is more important than all those people being put out of work.
.....wow, did you actually just say that?

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09-27-2012, 02:57 PM
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What is "hockey?"

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So, there goes pre season games...Next up ...

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