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09-25-2012, 09:19 PM
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Is Victor Rask going to play in the AHL or continue to play for the Calgary Hitmen?

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09-25-2012, 10:08 PM
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Is Victor Rask going to play in the AHL or continue to play for the Calgary Hitmen?
He's going to be playing in the AHL. It seems like that was the plan, to give him a shot to make the Hurricanes or spend the year in the AHL, even before the lockout. I feel it may be a mistake, but he did have a great year last year in the CHL.

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09-25-2012, 10:12 PM
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OKC, Norflolk, Binghamton, Syracuse, Houston, & Portland all look interesting to me.

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09-25-2012, 10:17 PM
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umm.... yes you could.
I guess, but you could easily end up being wrong with Crosby's concussion history. Repeated head traumas can, like, kind of **** your **** up.

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09-25-2012, 10:48 PM
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For OKC this is how I see it stacking up:

Paajarvi-RNH-Eberle
Hartikainen-Lander-Pitlick
Byers-Green-Arcobello
Cornet/Hamilton-Vande Velde-Tyrvainen

Teubert-Plante
Marincin-Schultz
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09-25-2012, 11:39 PM
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Meh. Marlies beat them in 5.

Last I checked; the playoff finalists are the two best teams. A team that was beat by one of them on the way to the finals; is hardly better.

You're probably going by season standings; the Marlies were only 3 points back. I think beating the Barons 4-1 in the playoffs more than makes up for that.

Insert your excuses now...
What does this have to do with how good the Barons are this year..?

Obviously the marlies were slightly better, but now adding Schultz, RNH and Eberle, it's not even close. You're taking the third best team and giving them two legit NHL studs and one of the games top D prospects.

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09-25-2012, 11:45 PM
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I'd expect more from the teams stocked with AHL veterans than the ones full of flashy prospects.

If the lockout lasts all year, we'll have a lot of people clamoring for their team to sign a bunch of AHL all-stars that were "never given a fair shot."

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09-26-2012, 12:41 AM
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2011-2012
Kessel - 82 points
Crosby - 37 points

Still think so? I think his point flew over your head.
Crosby - 609 points

Kessel - 327 points

Still think so? I understood what he was getting at, but he had no point. The poster he was referring to can say whatever he wants.

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09-26-2012, 12:52 AM
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marlies were really good last year but honesty this lockout made them worse overall. Other teams got much better upgrades then the marlies.

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09-26-2012, 01:10 AM
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I think you meant to say most likely or probably. For example, I could not say that Sidney Crosby will have more points than Kessel. I would say that Crosby will most likely have more points than Kessel.
That's because you're an idealistic homer who desperately searches for any possible view to make the leafs and their players seem better than they are despite fact and reality.

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2011-2012
Kessel - 82 points
Crosby - 37 points

Still think so? I think his point flew over your head.
Yeah, it was HIS point that was went over someone's head

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Should serve him well in the AHL?
Being a fantastic NHL player doesn't typically help them in the AHL, my mistake.

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You have no way of knowing that the aforementioned hypothesis is correct. Nonetheless, if the hypothesis turns out to be correct, you may support it but not give such an absolute answer. Furthermore, there are many other variables that could occur that could impact RNH's production. Anything could happen.


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Cool.

AHL and NHL don't always correlate with stats. The third leading scorer in the AHL during the locked out season when the league was filled with players from that absurd 2003 draft was David Ling...a guy who had 3 points in 50 NHL games the season before. Other NHL greats such as Peter Sarno, Simon Gamache, Chris Taylor, Andy Hilbert, and Denis Hamel found their way into the top 10 of scoring that season. The top goalies were Steve Valiquette, Jason LaBarbera, and Adam Hauser.
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Yeah NHL guys who weren't even completely proven yet like spezza, staal, cammalleri, and bergeron ended up having their stats correlate hockey. But hey whatever, just use random examples that don't properly correspond or allude to my point and completely miss what I was saying.

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09-26-2012, 01:25 AM
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marlies were really good last year but honesty this lockout made them worse overall. Other teams got much better upgrades then the marlies.
Not true.

Few AHL teams can come close to matching this depth...

Nazem Kadri
Matt Frattin
Joe Colborne
Keith Aucoin
Mike Zigomanis
Ryan Hamilton
Jerry D'Amigo
Spencer Abbott
Leo Komarov
Colton Orr
Carter Ashton
Nicolas Deschamps
Greg Scott
Brad Ross
Greg McKegg

Jake Gardiner
Paul Ranger
Jesse Blacker
Korbinian Holzer
Mark Fraser
Mike Kostka
Simon Gysbers

Mark Owuya
Jussi Rynnas

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09-26-2012, 02:30 AM
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Not true.

Few AHL teams can come close to matching this depth...

Nazem Kadri
Matt Frattin
Joe Colborne
Keith Aucoin
Mike Zigomanis
Ryan Hamilton
Jerry D'Amigo
Spencer Abbott
Leo Komarov
Colton Orr
Carter Ashton
Nicolas Deschamps
Greg Scott
Brad Ross
Greg McKegg

Jake Gardiner
Paul Ranger
Jesse Blacker
Korbinian Holzer
Mark Fraser
Mike Kostka
Simon Gysbers

Mark Owuya
Jussi Rynnas
the point is that the lockout didn't make them any better compared to other teams.

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09-26-2012, 02:40 AM
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the point is that the lockout didn't make them any better compared to other teams.
The point was that they "got worse".

Which isn't true. They were the 2nd best team in the league and have improved over the summer.

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09-26-2012, 04:31 AM
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Once again, it will be Eakins defensive system, which carries them through.

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09-26-2012, 05:27 AM
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That's because you're an idealistic homer who desperately searches for any possible view to make the leafs and their players seem better than they are despite fact and reality.



Yeah, it was HIS point that was went over someone's head



Being a fantastic NHL player doesn't typically help them in the AHL, my mistake.







Yeah NHL guys who weren't even completely proven yet like spezza, staal, cammalleri, and bergeron ended up having their stats correlate hockey. But hey whatever, just use random examples that don't properly correspond or allude to my point and completely miss what I was saying.

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Please do not ever use Justin Bieber for anything. If you wanted to make a point you could insert a cool band like Metallica or Zeppelin, not Justin Bieber.

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09-26-2012, 05:38 AM
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That's because you're an idealistic homer who desperately searches for any possible view to make the leafs and their players seem better than they are despite fact and reality.



Yeah, it was HIS point that was went over someone's head



Being a fantastic NHL player doesn't typically help them in the AHL, my mistake.







Yeah NHL guys who weren't even completely proven yet like spezza, staal, cammalleri, and bergeron ended up having their stats correlate hockey. But hey whatever, just use random examples that don't properly correspond or allude to my point and completely miss what I was saying.

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I think what you are missing is that you should never make absolute statistical inferences. I mean I guess you can say it is your hypothesis but you will not know if it will be correct for a number of years (Crosby vs Kessel). There is a possibility that Kessel could end up with more points than Crosby over the course of their careers. You could also claim a hypothesis that Sam Gagner could score more goals than Kessel by the end of their careers. Again you will not be able to support or reject the hypothesis for a number of years. Just to reiterate, Justin Bieber is not the coolest person and should not be referenced.

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09-26-2012, 08:50 AM
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Not true.

Few AHL teams can come close to matching this depth...

Nazem Kadri
Matt Frattin
Joe Colborne
Keith Aucoin
Mike Zigomanis
Ryan Hamilton
Jerry D'Amigo
Spencer Abbott
Leo Komarov
Colton Orr
Carter Ashton
Nicolas Deschamps
Greg Scott
Brad Ross
Greg McKegg

Jake Gardiner
Paul Ranger
Jesse Blacker
Korbinian Holzer
Mark Fraser
Mike Kostka
Simon Gysbers

Mark Owuya
Jussi Rynnas
I think Bridgeport can match that depth

Nino Niederreiter - Brock Nelson - Kirill Kabanov
David Ullstrom - Casey Cizkas - Colin McDonald
John Persson - Johan Sundstrom - Sean Backman
Mike Halmo - Jason Clark - Matt Watkins
Brandon Defazio - Max MacKay - Blair Riley

Calvin deHann - Travis Hamonic
Aaron Ness - Matt Donovan
Ty Wishart - Nathan McIver
Jon Landry - Marc Cantin

Kevin Poulin
Anders Nilsson

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09-26-2012, 09:45 AM
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Not true.

Few AHL teams can come close to matching this depth...

Nazem Kadri
Matt Frattin
Joe Colborne
Keith Aucoin
Mike Zigomanis
Ryan Hamilton
Jerry D'Amigo
Spencer Abbott
Leo Komarov
Colton Orr
Carter Ashton
Nicolas Deschamps
Greg Scott
Brad Ross
Greg McKegg

Jake Gardiner
Paul Ranger
Jesse Blacker
Korbinian Holzer
Mark Fraser
Mike Kostka
Simon Gysbers

Mark Owuya
Jussi Rynnas
Pretty sure OkC does.

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09-26-2012, 12:35 PM
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The point was that they "got worse".

Which isn't true. They were the 2nd best team in the league and have improved over the summer.
They did get worse, not as a team but in comparison to the rest of the league. For instance redo that series vs OKC, add Ebbs and the nuge and its a sweep.

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They did get worse, not as a team but in comparison to the rest of the league. For instance redo that series vs OKC, add Ebbs and the nuge and its a sweep.
We'll see how they do against the best defensive team in the A.

BTW How does a goalie with a higher GAA, get goaltender of the year?

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09-26-2012, 12:49 PM
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They did get worse, not as a team but in comparison to the rest of the league. For instance redo that series vs OKC, add Ebbs and the nuge and its a sweep.
A handful of other teams improving doesn't mean Toronto "got worse".

I don't see how that is logical.

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09-26-2012, 01:02 PM
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A handful of other teams improving doesn't mean Toronto "got worse".

I don't see how that is logical.
Just a poor choice of words, I think. It's more likely he meant something about the Marlies not doing as well as they could have without the lockout.

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Just a poor choice of words, I think. It's more likely he meant something about the Marlies not doing as well as they could have without the lockout.
On Paper (key phrase), the Marlies should do worse, just due to
the increased competition on other teams. The Marlies are improved
with Aucoin and trick shot artist Kostka. The big difference is that the
3/4 players who could move to the big club, were never key contributors. Other teams will send in their stars. The Marlies are
who the Marlies are.

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09-26-2012, 01:49 PM
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Meh. Marlies beat them in 5.

Last I checked; the playoff finalists are the two best teams. A team that was beat by one of them on the way to the finals; is hardly better.

You're probably going by season standings; the Marlies were only 3 points back. I think beating the Barons 4-1 in the playoffs more than makes up for that.

Insert your excuses now...
Lol wow. NHL lockout has caused a bitter AHL response already.

Also, you obviously missed the fact that the Barons did not have all of the Oiler future all stars on their team last year.

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