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09-26-2012, 10:20 PM
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I don't think the Avs have any single player whose value matches Myers including Landeskog or Duchene. I guess no1 C = no1 D in most cases but not sure if Duchene is proven enough as a number one C yet plus Buffalo probably doesn't need to make that risk considering they have Ennis/Grigorenko/Hodgson. It'd have to be a package deal.

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I'm not denying that Myers has more upside than Luke Schenn (mainly because of his offensive game), but for someone that's only 3 months younger than him and considerably more hyped, Myers really hasn't proven to be any more capable than Schenn defensively.


You can question if Myers will be a 50+ pt dman but questioning his defensive ability outside of one 3-month long sophomore slump is pretty pathetic.

Go download some games from the latter stages of last season where Myers was healthy and watch him play (take note of Sekera and Ehrhoff as well).

And if I'm Edmonton then yeah I'd trade Eberle or Hall for Myers. Not necessarily because he's better than them but they have 3 friggin 1st line wingers there assuming Yakupov develops into that and they have a bad defence.

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09-26-2012, 10:29 PM
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Eberle is the same age as Myers and he is already in the upper echelon of players in his position, Myers has shown upside but he was average at best this past season.

Subban is a much more effective defensively and has already proven that he can be depended upon in a top pairing role. It's a wash offensively IMO, I could see someone taking Myers but personally I think Subban has higher upside in this department.

Hall is a 1st overall pick who played at a 72 point pace as a 20 year old this past season, the only players to produce at a better pace at that age since the lockout are Crosby, Ovechkin, Stamkos, Malkin, Kopitar, Bergeron and Kane. Suggesting Myers is worth more than a likely franchise player in Hall (if the above list is any indication) is laughable.

Myers at the age of 22 has had 1 good season and two okay seasons, lets not get carried away with his praise here.
Lmao, and what has Eberle done? The exact same thing, he's had one good season and people already peg him as a 80+ pt forward. Gimme a break.

The guy puts up an incredible, and I mean incredible rookie season and people expect him to replicate that season year in and year out at the age of 20. Subban is put into a top pairing role because Markov has been injured for the past year and a half. Who else is going to fill in on a top pairing? He is not better defensively than Myers.


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09-26-2012, 10:41 PM
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Unnecessary thread is unnecessary. Myers isn't going anywhere.

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09-26-2012, 10:46 PM
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You can question if Myers will be a 50+ pt dman but questioning his defensive ability outside of one 3-month long sophomore slump is pretty pathetic.

Go download some games from the latter stages of last season where Myers was healthy and watch him play (take note of Sekera and Ehrhoff as well).

And if I'm Edmonton then yeah I'd trade Eberle or Hall for Myers. Not necessarily because he's better than them but they have 3 friggin 1st line wingers there assuming Yakupov develops into that and they have a bad defence.
Myers as a 21 year old ('11/'12): 0.279 Corsi Rel QoC
Schenn as a 21 year old ('10/'11): 0.392 Corsi Rel QoC

The point is both players have been inconsistent defensively throughout their careers (I'll concede Schenn is more inconsistent) Myers somehow gets the benefit of the doubt whereas people just think Schenn sucks even though there's only a 3 month age difference between them. I believe Myers will be a much better defensemen by virtue of his offensive skill, but I don't think they're that far off defensively.

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09-26-2012, 10:46 PM
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I was lost at Subban is better defensively lol...Myers poke checks plays away about 4 feet before Subban even engages defenders let alone loses pansy battles to Marchand

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09-26-2012, 10:53 PM
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Lmao, and what has Eberle done?
Lead his team in points for five consecutive years.

For a guy who's modus operandi is purely on the offensive side of things he's doing pretty much as expected.

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09-26-2012, 10:58 PM
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Lead his team in points for five consecutive years.

For a guy who's modus operandi is purely on the offensive side of things he's doing pretty much as expected.
We're talking about the only thing that matters here which is the NHL, and how is Eberle leading his team in scoring relevant at all when you're comparing what their careers have looked like up until now. Eberle has had one breakout season which was last year, Myers had a breakout season which was his rookie year. Do you understand what I'm trying to say??

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09-26-2012, 11:06 PM
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We're talking about the only thing that matters here which is the NHL, and how is Eberle leading his team in scoring relevant at all when you're comparing what their careers have looked like up until now. Eberle has had one breakout season which was last year, Myers had a breakout season which was his rookie year. Do you understand what I'm trying to say??
Umm, Jordan Eberle is a textbook example of how you want any young professional athlete to progress. He's gotten better every year at every level he's played at INCLUDING the NHL. Not sure what your point is at all. Of coarse leading your team in points is relevant.

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09-26-2012, 11:24 PM
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We're talking about the only thing that matters here which is the NHL, and how is Eberle leading his team in scoring relevant at all when you're comparing what their careers have looked like up until now. Eberle has had one breakout season which was last year, Myers had a breakout season which was his rookie year. Do you understand what I'm trying to say??
I'm not really following you here.

In Eberle's rookie season he went straight from the WHL to leading his NHL team in points. That would easily fall under "breakout season" in most books.

Then he went on to finish top 20 league-wide in points in his sophomore season.

No biggie, just the nice steady development of an offensive player.

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09-26-2012, 11:42 PM
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I was lost at Subban is better defensively lol...Myers poke checks plays away about 4 feet before Subban even engages defenders let alone loses pansy battles to Marchand
Maybe you should check Subban's advanced stats before making such claims. He and Gorges were in the top 3 in QualComp and did fairly well.

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We're talking about the only thing that matters here which is the NHL, and how is Eberle leading his team in scoring relevant at all when you're comparing what their careers have looked like up until now. Eberle has had one breakout season which was last year, Myers had a breakout season which was his rookie year. Do you understand what I'm trying to say??
Yes, you are trying to say that it is just as good for a player to get worse every year as it is for a player to get better every year as long as they have a good year somewhere in there? Do I have it right?

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09-27-2012, 12:19 AM
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Yes, you are trying to say that it is just as good for a player to get worse every year as it is for a player to get better every year as long as they have a good year somewhere in there? Do I have it right?
It's flying over your head entirely... I'm saying that Eberle has had one good year just like Myers and has proven just as much as Myers has but somehow has a huge monumental value compared to Myers.

Myers had a 48 pt campaign as a rookie, do you really expect him to be able to perform at a higher level than that at 20 yrs old?

I agree that Eberle has slightly higher value right now than Myers, but people blow their respective value out of proportion.

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It's flying over your head entirely... I'm saying that Eberle has had one good year just like Myers and has proven just as much as Myers has but somehow has a huge monumental value compared to Myers.

Myers had a 48 pt campaign as a rookie, do you really expect him to be able to perform at a higher level than that at 20 yrs old?

I agree that Eberle has slightly higher value right now than Myers, but people blow their respective value out of proportion.


No it was not flying over my head. I understood what you where getting at but thought it was rediculous as my sarcastic reply shows. Sorry but I guess you missed the sarcasm without an Emo to guide you.
As far as your point I have trouble agreeing with the notion that a guy that has one good season and then 2 meh ones is on the same track as a guy that seems to improve every year. I like my young players to show progress. Not regression.

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No it was not flying over my head. I understood what you where getting at but thought it was rediculous as my sarcastic reply shows. Sorry but I guess you missed the sarcasm without an Emo to guide you.
As far as your point I have trouble agreeing with the notion that a guy that has one good season and then 2 meh ones is on the same track as a guy that seems to improve every year. I like my young players to show progress. Not regression.
So what you're saying is you haven't watched Myers at all?

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09-27-2012, 02:43 AM
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Myers as a 21 year old ('11/'12): 0.279 Corsi Rel QoC
Schenn as a 21 year old ('10/'11): 0.392 Corsi Rel QoC

The point is both players have been inconsistent defensively throughout their careers (I'll concede Schenn is more inconsistent) Myers somehow gets the benefit of the doubt whereas people just think Schenn sucks even though there's only a 3 month age difference between them. I believe Myers will be a much better defensemen by virtue of his offensive skill, but I don't think they're that far off defensively.
That comes from actually watching them play. In a head-to-head comparison of their skill sets, Myers is easily ahead of Schenn. Myers' skating blows Schenn's out of the water. Myers has significantly more creativity with the puck and offensive skill. Myers is also bigger and has a longer reach. The only skill Schenn might be better at is hitting/physical play.
Not trying to put down Schenn too much, but he's not even close to Myers. If he gets back on track in Philly, he'll be a solid 2-4 shutdown defender. Myers has "franchise" level potential and possesses the overall better toolset.


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Bobby Ryan, Sami Vatanen + 3rd for Myers, Catenacci.

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probably something based around Kadri and Colborne along with A Finn,Blacker,Biggs type I suppose. An 'A' prospect plus a 'B' although Sabres fans are right here, there's almost no chance he's moved. Too much potential. He'll be a minute eater.

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Bobby Ryan, Sami Vatanen + 3rd for Myers, Catenacci.
Considering that our biggest need at the moment is a top six left wing, I don't see any way that something like this materializes in the near future. I can't imagine Buffalo would go for it, either.

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Del Zotto, Hagelin, and 2013 2nd?

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Would be great to get him to Tampa, but price would be too much.

A Hedman-Myers pairing would be incredible!

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Buffalo is only interested in a massive overpayment.

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Del Zotto, Hagelin, and 2013 2nd?
More like Del Zotto+Kreider..

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6'8'' and can do things like this, not to mention playing against the other teams top offensive players. He also won Calder two years ago, his value is pretty high to us Sabres fans.

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Considering that our biggest need at the moment is a top six left wing, I don't see any way that something like this materializes in the near future. I can't imagine Buffalo would go for it, either.
Yeah, I figured. Just wanted to see if the value was close.

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I think Pronger was about the same age when he was traded for Shanahan. From Toronto I think something based around Kessel or Gardiner/Rielly + 1st would be the price.

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