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09-27-2012, 09:25 AM
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1 thing i know is that Rielly and Gardiner will not be #1 and #2 d

There needs to be someone physical to shut down the top players. One of them will be a top 2 Dman and the other will be top 4.

Either way Toronto's defense is shaping up nicely.

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RT"@hockeyfights: Morgan Rielly vs Eric Walker from Moose Jaw Warriors at Swift Current Broncos Sep 22, 2012 http://*******/VMUJIZ "

http://www.hockeyfights.com/fights/111863

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RT"@hockeyfights: Morgan Rielly vs Eric Walker from Moose Jaw Warriors at Swift Current Broncos Sep 22, 2012 http://*******/VMUJIZ "

http://www.hockeyfights.com/fights/111863
Haha, that's great! Good stuff by MoRiles.

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I didnt say Gardiner had a small ceiling, I just think Riellys is higher (yet he is still incredibly overrated) but Gardiner has already succeeded at the NHL level
Let me get this straight, Rielly is overrated because his ceiling is higher than a young prospect who already succeeded at the NHL level?

Let me answer this for you, the only reason you felt the need to put "yet he is still incredibely overrated" in brackets is because your a fan of a rival team.

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Haha, that's great! Good stuff by MoRiles.
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Hes more likely to? No, I think he has a higher ceiling but you have no idea if he is going to reach it or not haha. Especially since his only full season in juniors was just meh, and his last season where he did well was cut extremely short

Where as Gardiner probably has a small ceiling but considering he has already made a solid impact at the NHL level he is more likely to reach that level haha.

I swear the hype around Rielly is insane. He has practically done nothing beside be drafted...



He has played what, two games so far? And 20 in the last two seasons? Burke is on crack if he seriously thinks that.
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I didnt say Gardiner had a small ceiling, I just think Riellys is higher (yet he is still incredibly overrated) but Gardiner has already succeeded at the NHL level
Just stop... please. No one knows exactly how Rielly is gonna pan out but Leafs fans are obviously excited about a good young player (something we haven't had very much of recently). Don't post if it bothers you so much. Or do Leafs fans have to dig back to last year to find equally-as-excited-but-boneheaded posts about Dougie Hamilton going over a PPG?

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Let me get this straight, Rielly is overrated because his ceiling is higher than a young prospect who already succeeded at the NHL level?

Let me answer this for you, the only reason you felt the need to put "yet he is still incredibely overrated" in brackets is because your a fan of a rival team.
Don't get all worked up. All he's saying is that Leafs fans are pumping Rielly up way too much for his liking. I would agree with him as well, especially if you've seen what's been written on the prospects board. By all means he is a great prospect, but people are are basing what he might become on his injury-riddled season and forming opinions on what they've read or heard, not necessarily what they've seen. And even then, scouts haven't seen enough of him because of the injury.

As for Gardiner, he's 22 compared to Rielly who is 18. With skill sets so similar, it could be easy to assume Rielly can contribute like Gardiner, or even exceed him in the future... and yes there is a possibility of him becoming nothing like Gardiner as well. At the very least, you can hope to see some tutoring from Gardiner to Rielly on how to play the position and what entails playing for Big Blue.

*EDIT* Just to add, being 22 doesn't mean that Gardiner has reached his ceiling. Some players keep getting better and better as they keep playing, and some plateau at some point. The fact of the matter is that Rielly is 18 and will be brought up more slowly than Jake the Snake has.


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The kid's got unbelievable wheels and great vision while generally making good decisions. Has the potential to be a perennial 50 + point defenceman. At the time of the draft I was hoping for us to draft Forsberg but after watching the Canada-Russia series I'm very happy with the pick. Rielly will compete for a roster spot next season; some people in the organization think he was ready as early as this season:

http://www.mjwarriors.ca/article/lea...ssed-by-rielly

Obviously he only played 18 games last year, so I'm glad he's going back to junior to get back to 100 % and continue to round out his game. Apparently he's been logging huge minutes for Moose Jaw(30 + minutes) in all situations which should be great for his development. I wish it was easier to find CHL streams.

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Don't get all worked up. All he's saying is that Leafs fans are pumping Rielly up way too much for his liking. I would agree with him as well, especially if you've seen what's been written on the prospects board. By all means he is a great prospect, but people are are basing what he might become on his injury-riddled season and forming opinions on what they've read or heard, not necessarily what they've seen. And even then, scouts haven't seen enough of him because of the injury.
It seems like everyone gets giddy about prospects until it's a Leaf prospect, then its time for sober second thought.

Ryan Sproul is the next Shea Weber, Ryan Hamilton is the next Pronger, etc.

Leaf prospect? Number four defenseman, power play specialist sounds about right...

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Just stop... please. No one knows exactly how Rielly is gonna pan out but Leafs fans are obviously excited about a good young player (something we haven't had very much of recently). Don't post if it bothers you so much. Or do Leafs fans have to dig back to last year to find equally-as-excited-but-boneheaded posts about Dougie Hamilton going over a PPG?
Ok maybe I said he had a small ceiling but thats clearly not what I meant haha, I think I meant to type smaller ceiling...

Dont crucify me

And go ahead and dig back. Last time I checked Hamilton did win the award for best dman in the CHL, and nothing as of late has proven he won't continue at that pace, so I'm not sure what you're trying to prove. Its not like he has busted or anything haha. Nothings changed.

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Let me get this straight, Rielly is overrated because his ceiling is higher than a young prospect who already succeeded at the NHL level?

Let me answer this for you, the only reason you felt the need to put "yet he is still incredibely overrated" in brackets is because your a fan of a rival team.

No... Leafs fans can be so insufferable

I think he is overrated because Leafs fans are the largest demographic and tend to be a little giddy when it comes to prospects, such as voting Rielly in way to high in the top prospect polls. I mean there are people in here saying he is going to be a number 1 d-man in just a couple years and telling people off if they think otherwise

Has nothing to do with Leafs being our rivals.. Its just too much hype after way too small of a sample size. The few games he played in juniors last year and his good play in the Can-Russia series are not a big enough size to make ridiculous claims like him becoming a number 1 dman in a matter of years

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It seems like everyone gets giddy about prospects until it's a Leaf prospect, then its time for sober second thought.

Ryan Sproul is the next Shea Weber, Ryan Hamilton is the next Pronger, etc.

Leaf prospect? Number four defenseman, power play specialist sounds about right...
Were you so excited about Rielly until the Leafs drafted him. I recall someone digging up polls on the Leaf board saying who they would want wither their pick and literally NO ONE picked Rielly... Then he gets drafted by the Leafs and all of the sudden he is the next great one

And just as a disclaimer, he is obviously a great prospect, but I think its too soon to make ridiculously bold statements


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Ok maybe I said he had a small ceiling but thats clearly not what I meant haha, I think I meant to type smaller ceiling...

Dont crucify me

And go ahead and dig back. Last time I checked Hamilton did win the award for best dman in the CHL, and nothing as of late has proven he won't continue at that pace, so I'm not sure what you're trying to prove. Its not like he has busted or anything haha. Nothings changed.


People were saying in the Hamilton thread that he will win Norris trophies. They don't even acknowledge his flaws or watch him play. He isn't that smart of a player, especially defensively. According to Bruins fans, and even fans of NHL fans out west, think or act as if he's flawless and a guarantee to be a star.

No... Leafs fans can be so insufferable

I think he is overrated because Leafs fans are the largest demographic and tend to be a little giddy when it comes to prospects, such as voting Rielly in way to high in the top prospect polls. I mean there are people in here saying he is going to be a number 1 d-man in just a couple years and telling people off if they think otherwise

Has nothing to do with Leafs being our rivals.. Its just too much hype after way too small of a sample size. The few games he played in juniors last year and his good play in the Can-Russia series are not a big enough size to make ridiculous claims like him becoming a number 1 dman in a matter of years

Rielly wasn't too high in the prospect poll lmao. Infact, I'd take him over a bunch of prospects voted infront of him. There is also many prospects in that poll much higher than they should. Why is Galchenyuk number 7 and no one complains about that but Rielly at 18 is dumb and just leaf fans being homers. Scouts also said before the draft and after that Rielly has number 1 potential so idk what you are on about there.

Were you so excited about Rielly until the Leafs drafted him. I recall someone digging up polls on the Leaf board saying who they would want wither their pick and literally NO ONE picked Rielly... Then he gets drafted by the Leafs and all of the sudden he is the next great one

Many reasons for that. He was out for most of the year, not many viewing or spotlight. He's a defenseman (leaf fans wanted a forward preferably a center because the leafs have a huge hole there plus a lot of D depth), Rielly played out west and even though leaf fans are in large numbers all over the bulk is in the GTA area out east. Another reason is that the leafs were in a playoff position for most of the year before the collapse so we didn't really expect to finish that low and get that high of a pick an didn't get as much info on the top prospects including Rielly.



And just as a disclaimer, he is obviously a great prospect, but I think its too soon to make ridiculously bold statements
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Were you so excited about Rielly until the Leafs drafted him. I recall someone digging up polls on the Leaf board saying who they would want wither their pick and literally NO ONE picked Rielly... Then he gets drafted by the Leafs and all of the sudden he is the next great one

And just as a disclaimer, he is obviously a great prospect, but I think its too soon to make ridiculously bold statements
Going into the draft, the consensus seemed to be that we wanted a centerman, particularly Galchenyuk, but with him off the board, there was Forsberg at wing and a sliding Grigorenko as well.

Here's what I said leading up to the draft, you can also read the positive comments about him from other Leafs fans before he was a Leaf:

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...y#post50779245

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...y#post51069759

I don't agree with you about not making bold statements, since everyone makes the same bold statements about their own kids. He's being downrated here because of his Leaf affiliation.

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It seems like everyone gets giddy about prospects until it's a Leaf prospect, then its time for sober second thought.

Ryan Sproul is the next Shea Weber, Ryan Hamilton is the next Pronger, etc.

Leaf prospect? Number four defenseman, power play specialist sounds about right...
Nope, same goes for Oilers prospects. Why? Because those are the two teams that seem to constantly have fans pleasuring themselves over how they think an excessive number of their prospects are going to be elite. It's quite a bore. I don't see nearly the same crap from the same proportion of fans of other teams on these boards. Actually, this applies to their NHL players as well. It's the equivalent of reading CalgaryPuck in terms of Flames fans. "OUR PLAYERS ARE SO AMAZING LOOK AT HOW GREAT THEY ARE/WILL BE ALL THE TIME WHAT IS CRITICAL THOUGHT"

Not saying this applies to all fans of either team on HFBoards by any means, just that those two teams have a greater proportion of said fans than others seem to, and by a fair margin.

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Nope, same goes for Oilers prospects. Why? Because those are the two teams that seem to constantly have fans pleasuring themselves over how they think an excessive number of their prospects are going to be elite. It's quite a bore. I don't see nearly the same crap from the same proportion of fans of other teams on these boards. Actually, this applies to their NHL players as well. It's the equivalent of reading CalgaryPuck in terms of Flames fans. "OUR PLAYERS ARE SO AMAZING LOOK AT HOW GREAT THEY ARE/WILL BE ALL THE TIME WHAT IS CRITICAL THOUGHT"

Not saying this applies to all fans of either team on HFBoards by any means, just that those two teams have a greater proportion of said fans than others seem to, and by a fair margin.
We're rebuilding franchises, what else are we supposed to get excited about?

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Ok maybe I said he had a small ceiling but thats clearly not what I meant haha, I think I meant to type smaller ceiling...

Dont crucify me

And go ahead and dig back. Last time I checked Hamilton did win the award for best dman in the CHL, and nothing as of late has proven he won't continue at that pace, so I'm not sure what you're trying to prove. Its not like he has busted or anything haha. Nothings changed.




No... Leafs fans can be so insufferable

I think he is overrated because Leafs fans are the largest demographic and tend to be a little giddy when it comes to prospects, such as voting Rielly in way to high in the top prospect polls. I mean there are people in here saying he is going to be a number 1 d-man in just a couple years and telling people off if they think otherwise

Has nothing to do with Leafs being our rivals.. Its just too much hype after way too small of a sample size. The few games he played in juniors last year and his good play in the Can-Russia series are not a big enough size to make ridiculous claims like him becoming a number 1 dman in a matter of years



Were you so excited about Rielly until the Leafs drafted him. I recall someone digging up polls on the Leaf board saying who they would want wither their pick and literally NO ONE picked Rielly... Then he gets drafted by the Leafs and all of the sudden he is the next great one

And just as a disclaimer, he is obviously a great prospect, but I think its too soon to make ridiculously bold statements
Most people wanted one of the forwards, but would make an exception for Rielly. I even said that prior to the draft.

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Can't wait until he shows everyone he is better then Orr, Potvin and Lidstrom combined.

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Can't wait until he shows everyone he is better then Orr, Potvin and Lidstrom combined.
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Can't wait until he shows everyone he is better then Orr, Potvin and Lidstrom combined.
Why post this? It's all other teams fanbases claiming Leafs fans are saying he's the 'next Orr' and stuff. I haven't seen one Leafs fan state this at all! We're excited for our prospect who has #1 defense potential; what's wrong with that?

Geez, people always have to piss on our parade. We get something nice and everyone else has to tell us it's actually not good, mock us and tell us that we're stupid for believing so.


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How is Rielly being overrated? most experts touted him as a top pairing dman and if not for his injury, potentially the second overall pick. When was the last time a guy with that much potential not shown some hype?
I think hes being overrated because I have seen plenty of people say they would rather have him then Ryan Murray. A lot of people have ranked the D from that class and without any hockey played, people have already played Rielly about Murray and Reinhart quite a bit.

Not to say he doesnt have top pairing potential, but people were rating him above others simply based on the Can Russ series where he was still outplayed by Murray

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I think hes being overrated because I have seen plenty of people say they would rather have him then Ryan Murray. A lot of people have ranked the D from that class and without any hockey played, people have already played Rielly about Murray and Reinhart quite a bit.

Not to say he doesnt have top pairing potential, but people were rating him above others simply based on the Can Russ series where he was still outplayed by Murray
Many people see Murray as the 'safe pick' (ie. Luke Schenn) in the draft. He has top 4 potential, but it's very unclear how much potential he actually has. Rielly however has the most offensive potential of the defensemen in the draft. He's also good defensively, which gives him a chance to be more of an impact player than Murray.

It's nothing against Murray, just being happy with what we have.

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Ok maybe I said he had a small ceiling but thats clearly not what I meant haha, I think I meant to type smaller ceiling...

Dont crucify me

And go ahead and dig back. Last time I checked Hamilton did win the award for best dman in the CHL, and nothing as of late has proven he won't continue at that pace, so I'm not sure what you're trying to prove. Its not like he has busted or anything haha. Nothings changed.




No... Leafs fans can be so insufferable

I think he is overrated because Leafs fans are the largest demographic and tend to be a little giddy when it comes to prospects, such as voting Rielly in way to high in the top prospect polls. I mean there are people in here saying he is going to be a number 1 d-man in just a couple years and telling people off if they think otherwise

Has nothing to do with Leafs being our rivals.. Its just too much hype after way too small of a sample size. The few games he played in juniors last year and his good play in the Can-Russia series are not a big enough size to make ridiculous claims like him becoming a number 1 dman in a matter of years



Were you so excited about Rielly until the Leafs drafted him. I recall someone digging up polls on the Leaf board saying who they would want wither their pick and literally NO ONE picked Rielly... Then he gets drafted by the Leafs and all of the sudden he is the next great one

And just as a disclaimer, he is obviously a great prospect, but I think its too soon to make ridiculously bold statements
If thats what you said, thats how we'll take it.

In the CHL. I'll list all the guys who have won that award since 2000. I'll stop there since I'm too lazy to look up all the years.

99-00 - Micki Dupont = Who? 4 career points in the NHL. 23 career GP.
00-01 - Marc - Andre Bergeron - Hes had an okay career. Hit 30 points 3 times, 40 points 0. Not bad but not stellar. He isn't a guy I would brag about drafting.
01-02 - Dan Hamhuis - Hes about the same. 221 points, 629 GP
02-03 - Brendan Bell - Leafs draft pick so OMG! Amazing. JK. 28 points in 102 games.
03-04 - James Wisniewski - Decent offensively, absolutely horrendous defensively.
04-05 - Danny Syvret - Who? 7 career points
05-06 - Keith Yandle - Alright I'll give you this one. Hes good.
06-07 - Kris Russell - 88 points in 331 GP. Honestly I know who he is but haven't watched him much so not sure how his defence is
07-08 - Karl Alzner - Alot of hype. 39 points in 215 GP but still young.

Kind of early to judge the others. Point being, CHL Defenceman of the year means little.

Leafs fans are also hardest on their prospects. Schenn was really a 50/50 split. Kadri is the same. But they are the largest fanbase so it seems like they hype them more just like they rip them apart more.

Because he was injured most of last season but if you recall he WAS rated above Murray when he went down. So it isn't like he was a nobody. Another thing, most Leaf fans wanted a forward. Poll how many would have wanted to draft up and get Murray? I bet most would say if we went up to number 2, 90% would want Galchenyuk. Nobody has said he is the "next one" to my knowledge. Have any links?

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People need to remember that most people, myself included, weren't exposed to Rielly as much as other prospects. Before the draft began, a lot of us went in with the idea that 1 of: Forsberg, Galchenyuk or Grigorenko would fall to us at the #5 spot or at the very least we'd be taking Murray if all the top ranked forwards were taken.

That paired with most of Leafs nation, again, myself included, drooling over the development of Gardiner, it was pretty easy to over look Reilly as a possible draft option.

How many fans of teams picking in the top 10 actually spent time reading or watching the few games Reilly got to play? I'm sure anyone picking outside the top 3 would be more than happy to have him once you read up/watch what he's capable of.

Also, he's better than Orr and Lidstrom combine AINEC.

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I think hes being overrated because I have seen plenty of people say they would rather have him then Ryan Murray. A lot of people have ranked the D from that class and without any hockey played, people have already played Rielly about Murray and Reinhart quite a bit.

Not to say he doesnt have top pairing potential, but people were rating him above others simply based on the Can Russ series where he was still outplayed by Murray
It's well known that Rielly has the highest ceiling over all the D in the 2012 draft. In the leafs draft discussion before the draft the consensus was, if we were to pick a defenseman, Rielly was the preferred D. Just because we want the guy with the most potential even if there is risk.

After years of drafting guys like Tlusty and Schenn over guys like Giroux and Karlsson, I think people wanted to take the risk and get the guy with the biggest ceiling.

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It's well known that Rielly has the highest ceiling over all the D in the 2012 draft. In the leafs draft discussion before the draft the consensus was, if we were to pick a defenseman, Rielly was the preferred D. Just because we want the guy with the most potential even if there is risk.

After years of drafting guys like Tlusty and Schenn over guys like Giroux and Karlsson, I think people wanted to take the risk and get the guy with the biggest ceiling.
This is true.

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07-08 - Karl Alzner - Alot of hype. 39 points in 215 GP but still young.
He's a strictly defensive defenseman and has played on the Capitals top pair for 2 years now... i'd say he's definitely lived up to the hype..

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