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09-27-2012, 02:20 PM
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#1 defenseman to Detroit

The Wings' current defense looks something like this:

Niklas Kronwall/Ian White
Kyle Quincey/Jonathan Ericsson
Jakub Kindl/Brendan Smith
Carlo Colaiacovo

What/who would be the trade to get a #1 defenseman added on, someone who can play the shut-down role well 20+ minutes a night and has offensive skills?

Off-limits are:
Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Kronwall, Howard

Ideally off-limits:
Filppula, Nyquist, Smith

I'm going to start with a baseline:

Johan Franzen + Kyle Quincey = Tobias Enstrom + Kyle Wellwood + WPG 2nd

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09-27-2012, 02:26 PM
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There aren't a whole lot of #1 defensemen available, and especially if one places Gustav Nyquist on the untouchable list.

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09-27-2012, 02:33 PM
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Ok you have to make the other team so much better that losing a #1 defensmen wouldn't hurt them moving forward. So "untouchable" and "off-limits" aren't going to mean anything because that's what you're trying to acquire.

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09-27-2012, 02:39 PM
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Pretty sure every team would like a #1 dman while giving up nothing of value.

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09-27-2012, 02:48 PM
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This is going to go down the same "Sekera" - "Where is the number 1 D???" road all these threads go down.

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09-27-2012, 02:49 PM
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I would definitely not trade Enstrom + for the package in the OP, were I the Jets.

Not sure who is going to be willing to cough up a #1 Dman for what is available from the Red Wings. Does someone like Sergei Gonchar count?

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09-27-2012, 02:59 PM
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The Wings' current defense looks something like this:

Niklas Kronwall/Ian White
Kyle Quincey/Jonathan Ericsson
Jakub Kindl/Brendan Smith
Carlo Colaiacovo

What/who would be the trade to get a #1 defenseman added on, someone who can play the shut-down role well 20+ minutes a night and has offensive skills?

Off-limits are:
Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Kronwall, Howard

Ideally off-limits:
Filppula, Nyquist, Smith

I'm going to start with a baseline:

Johan Franzen + Kyle Quincey = Tobias Enstrom + Kyle Wellwood + WPG 2nd
This is a brutal trade for WPG that in no way makes them a better team

To be honest, given your limitations of "off limits" players I assume that every other team out there has made their #1 off limits to you now in return...

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09-27-2012, 03:01 PM
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Most teams are going to have their #1 D on their untouchable list as well, so if you want one, your going to have to shorten your "untouchable" list a lot. Oh, and that's a pretty bad package for the Jets. And they has to add??

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09-27-2012, 03:11 PM
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To get a true #1 defenseman you're going to have to overpay. Defense is a premium.

Filppula + Tatar would be a start to get a true #1

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The Wings' current defense looks something like this:

Niklas Kronwall/Ian White
Kyle Quincey/Jonathan Ericsson
Jakub Kindl/Brendan Smith
Carlo Colaiacovo

What/who would be the trade to get a #1 defenseman added on, someone who can play the shut-down role well 20+ minutes a night and has offensive skills?

Off-limits are:
Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Kronwall, Howard

Ideally off-limits:
Filppula, Nyquist, Smith

I'm going to start with a baseline:

Johan Franzen + Kyle Quincey = Tobias Enstrom + Kyle Wellwood + WPG 2nd
Is that a joke? Thats god awful for WIN. Why would they ever make that trade? Detroit should be adding a pick, not the other way around.

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09-27-2012, 03:27 PM
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To get a true #1 defenseman you're going to have to overpay. Defense is a premium.

Filppula + Tatar would be a start to get a true #1
Not a true #1. Unless a 30+ year old one.

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09-27-2012, 03:28 PM
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You have to give to get.

Except on hfboards, where your team's crap is somehow gold to another team so they'll give you whatever you want.

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Not a true #1. Unless a 30+ year old one.
The guy said it would be a start. I think that's fair.

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To get a true #1 defenseman you're going to have to overpay. Defense is a premium.

Filppula + Tatar would be a start to get a true #1
Well who is considered a number one to Detroit? Personally, I wouldn't be looking at moving Edler for that kind of package, and his status as a "number 1" is argued night and day around here.

I like Flip, I do, but a "True #1" would have to fetch more then that, if one as made available.

Are we counting a number one as someone that has top pairing talent that would compliment Kronwall? Because that definition opens the door a little bit more. If it is the Webers, Charas, Doughtys and Karlssons, more would need to be added to that package in a big way.

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09-27-2012, 03:43 PM
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One year contract with a short to no season crushes Flippula's trade value unfortunately.

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The Wings' current defense looks something like this:

Niklas Kronwall/Ian White
Kyle Quincey/Jonathan Ericsson
Jakub Kindl/Brendan Smith
Carlo Colaiacovo

What/who would be the trade to get a #1 defenseman added on, someone who can play the shut-down role well 20+ minutes a night and has offensive skills?

Off-limits are:
Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Kronwall, Howard

Ideally off-limits:
Filppula, Nyquist, Smith

I'm going to start with a baseline:

Johan Franzen + Kyle Quincey = Tobias Enstrom + Kyle Wellwood + WPG 2nd
Terrible Proposal for the Jets!

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09-27-2012, 03:54 PM
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Well who is considered a number one to Detroit? Personally, I wouldn't be looking at moving Edler for that kind of package, and his status as a "number 1" is argued night and day around here.

I like Flip, I do, but a "True #1" would have to fetch more then that, if one as made available.

Are we counting a number one as someone that has top pairing talent that would compliment Kronwall? Because that definition opens the door a little bit more. If it is the Webers, Charas, Doughtys and Karlssons, more would need to be added to that package in a big way.
True #1 for me would just be the top 15ish defenseman in the league.

I'd even do Filppula + Franzen. I just hope nobody knows Franzen is even lazier than Sergei was when he dogged it.

Off the top of my head people can pretty much take their picks of: Filppula, Franzen, Tatar, Nyquist, Jurco, Quincey, Sproul, Ouellete, draft picks. It's not an overly impressive list but it's what we have


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09-27-2012, 04:25 PM
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Perhaps search the retired list:

Brian Leetch
Rob Blake
Al MacInnis

Love these "give us your best dman, we'll trade you any player (except anyone on the list of 12 names of "untouchables")

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I would rather see Detroit go after a guy who is a tough, mean stay at home type. A #4-#5 type guy.

Not that this would happen but something like this.

Bos
McQuaid

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Eaves

May be a pick to even things out.

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Where's the Jets incentive to trade Enstrom? He's under contract for 6 more years , there's zero reason to trade him right now.

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I would rather see Detroit go after a guy who is a tough, mean stay at home type. A #4-#5 type guy.

Not that this would happen but something like this.

Bos
McQuaid

Det
Kindl
Eaves

May be a pick to even things out.
Boston is still paying the buyout on Eaves from his first go around there

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09-27-2012, 04:39 PM
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Johan Franzen + Kyle Quincey = Tobias Enstrom + Kyle Wellwood + WPG 2nd
What is this? An aging winger and a mediocre to terrible dman for a no1 dman who just signed a new contract plus more coming back?

No that won't work.

Nyquist + a usable forward who ISN'T old + 1st pick <--> Yandle

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What is this? An aging winger and a mediocre to terrible dman for a no1 dman who just signed a new contract plus more coming back?

No that won't work.

Nyquist + a usable forward who ISN'T old + 1st pick <--> Yandle
"a usable forward who ISN'T old" - Phx would want a center, Flippula doesn't have enough value due to his contract, and phx wants to build on the WCF showing not re-tool. So wings are out of luck there.

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I would rather see Detroit go after a guy who is a tough, mean stay at home type. A #4-#5 type guy.

Not that this would happen but something like this.

Bos
McQuaid

Det
Kindl
Eaves

May be a pick to even things out.
A polite 'no' from Boston, McQuaid is dependable, tough, inexpensive, & always willing to drop the mitts. Bruins have no use for Kindl or Eaves, no incentive to make such a deal.

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I dont think the Wings have what it would take to trade for a top-pairing dman other than Datsyuk or Zetterberg.

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