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Kevin Shattenkirk to the Flyers

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09-27-2012, 02:09 PM
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Well glad to see it wasn't a flame war, but these teams are just all wrong as trading partners. Both looking to upgrade the top pair and don't have any excess d-man to replace the roster spot lost in a deal for one.

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09-27-2012, 04:30 PM
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I havea bad feeling this might turn into a bad decision, but I'll just go ahead and say it: To be honest, I would turn down Giroux for Pietrangelo. And while the Schenns for him is interesting purely out of the context that we are helping both of our biggest needs, it's not something I could pull the trigger on, as the value just high enough.

I'm not saying this to say your players aren't good: Clearly, they are. It's simply a matter of the value of Petro to the Blues, imo, is higher then any other player to their team in the league. I don't think I'd trade Petro 1 for 1 for Stamkos, simply because I think we would end up being a worse team after the trade. If I'm not doing it for him, I'm probably not doing it for anyone.

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I think this is a pretty fair opinion, and jives with my feelings on trading Pietro too. The Flyers have some great players, but its hard to figure a trade that helps both teams.

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09-27-2012, 04:51 PM
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Its settled then. Were going to have to abduct him. Sorry blues fans, we tried to work something out.

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09-27-2012, 06:33 PM
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Its settled then. Were going to have to abduct him. Sorry blues fans, we tried to work something out.
Little do you know, Giroux is sitting in the back of an unmarked van one its way to St. Louis as we speak.

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09-27-2012, 08:50 PM
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Short of Giroux, I don't think we have anything that could get Pietrangelo. If both Schenns would do it, I'd gladly chip in for cab fair to the airport.
Both Schenns might get you Shattenkirk, but it's gonna take considerably more to get Pietrangelo.

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09-27-2012, 09:33 PM
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The Blues would need a dman coming back in the trade (right side).

So maybe something like this:

Brayden Schenn
Andrej Meszaros


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Shatty,
DAgostini or Sobotka

I am not sure either team would do it. Lots of expectations for Schenn. Blues are a d first team - so down grade may not be worth it.
That is an over payment for PHI.

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09-27-2012, 09:45 PM
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Both Schenns might get you Shattenkirk, but it's gonna take considerably more to get Pietrangelo.
While I agree both Schenns wouldn't land Pietrangelo, it would be overpayment for Shattenkirk and I'm a big Shatty fan.

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09-27-2012, 10:57 PM
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While I agree both Schenns wouldn't land Pietrangelo, it would be overpayment for Shattenkirk and I'm a big Shatty fan.
I have to agree with this, I would do both Schenns for Shatty pretty quickly. Luke could be his replacement on the right side and Brayden is going to be a very good player. He quickly became my favourite Phlly player last playoffs.

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09-28-2012, 01:06 AM
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Both Schenns might get you Shattenkirk
Are you kidding? Philly gave up Richards and Van Riemsdyk for the Schenn brothers. I'm pretty sure Armstrong takes that deal and runs.

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09-28-2012, 02:14 AM
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Both Schenns might get you Shattenkirk
Might? Don't even need to read the rest of the quote




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09-28-2012, 02:22 AM
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Both Schenns might get you Shattenkirk, but it's gonna take considerably more to get Pietrangelo.
Come on. Both Schenns would most likely get Shattenkirk. Philly wouldn't do it though. These teams do make pretty bad trading partners.

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09-28-2012, 02:30 AM
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If both Schenns would do it, I'd gladly chip in for cab fair to the airport.
Really? I have to disagree. I'm expecting big seasons from both Schenns this year. Pietro might be the best player in the trade but not by much so I'd stick with two solid players.


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Both Schenns might get you Shattenkirk, but it's gonna take considerably more to get Pietrangelo.
That's a joke.

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09-28-2012, 02:32 AM
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Really? I have to disagree. I'm expecting big seasons from both Schenns this year.
Piety is worth it. He is already the next big stud defenseman in the NHL. If Both Schenn's would get you Piety, Flyers should take it I say.(I know it won't, just a hypothetical).

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09-28-2012, 03:29 AM
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Really? I have to disagree. I'm expecting big seasons from both Schenns this year. Pietro might be the best player in the trade but not by much so I'd stick with two solid players.




That's a joke.
Not by much? 'That's a joke.' Pietrangelo is a top 5 defense at 22, neither Schenn is a top 30 player in their respective positions, maybe not even top 50.

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09-28-2012, 09:30 AM
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Read, Schenn and a first?

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09-28-2012, 09:32 AM
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Read, Schenn and a first?
For Shattenkirk? That's a pretty heavy over-payment.

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09-28-2012, 09:37 AM
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Read, Schenn and a first?
We are pretty stocked with wingers(Tarasenko, Stewart, Perron, Oshie, McDonald, D'Agostini, Schwartz) so Read is pretty much a non starter, and we are trying to win now so a first rounder doesnt help us do that.

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09-28-2012, 11:09 AM
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Are you kidding? Philly gave up Richards and Van Riemsdyk for the Schenn brothers. I'm pretty sure Armstrong takes that deal and runs.
Van Riemsdyk was beginning to bust and Holmgren was foolish to trade Richards. (Although Wayne Simmonds was an awesome return)

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09-28-2012, 11:34 AM
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Van Riemsdyk was beginning to bust and Holmgren was foolish to trade Richards. (Although Wayne Simmonds was an awesome return)
I wouldnt say Holmgren was foolish to trade Richards, Im a huge Richards fan btw, but its too soon to judge. Sure Richards is great and had a lot of success with the Kings but they got a pretty awesome return for him, lets see how Simmonds and Schenn pan out before calling it a foolish move.

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09-28-2012, 03:52 PM
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Blues just can't trade d away right now, if anything thy are looking to trade for d. No way Petro is going anywhere and Shatty would take a big overpayment to pry away.

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09-28-2012, 07:06 PM
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Once again two teams with forwards to trade when both of the teams need defense...Just a no-go boys, nothing personal...I would love to have some of the Flyer players but we both need the same thing. I think we should try to raid the Senators for some of their young D.

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09-29-2012, 09:40 PM
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I'd drive anyone outside of Giroux to the airport for Pietrangelo. But as I said in my previous post, that's an obvious no-go. Point is these 2 teams aren't good trading partners at all.



I wouldn't flame you. I wouldn't trade Giroux for Pietrangelo but I can definitely see why St. Louis wouldn't do that deal either. Philly has great top 6 center depth (Giroux-Briere-Schenn-Couturier), and hey, half of Flyer fans think Couturier will be as good as Giroux in a few years anyway. On the other hand, the Blues have no one to replace Pietrangelo. IMO the best young d-man in the game.
Giroux for AP would be the perfect hockey type trade if the teams were built accordingly. With the build of both teams then neither teams does this even though I consider there value to be about equal with a slight edge to Giroux.

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09-29-2012, 09:43 PM
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Really? I have to disagree. I'm expecting big seasons from both Schenns this year. Pietro might be the best player in the trade but not by much so I'd stick with two solid players.




That's a joke.
Both Shenns would get Shatty I am sure but they would not come close to getting AP and if you would not trade both for him then you obviously overvalue your players. The Flyers need a player just like AP and both Schenns would seem to be a no brainer for AP. Although Blues say no thanks.

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The Flyers haven't had a decent RH defenseman since Desjardins.

Literally.

I don't see a deal to be made here. Coburn is a reasonably ask for the Blues--but, in my opinion, he's a better overall player than Shattenkirk is or will be.
Matt Walker, dude. Come on. He was going to help the team on the power play.

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Really? I have to disagree. I'm expecting big seasons from both Schenns this year. Pietro might be the best player in the trade but not by much so I'd stick with two solid players.




That's a joke.
Disagree. If I'm Holmgren and i get offered Pietro for both Schenns, i'd take that without hesitating. Pietro is the young/stud/norris caliber D-man that Philly needs.

I doubt that Blues go for it though. Not enough incentive coming back their way.

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