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09-28-2012, 10:04 AM
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I go away for a two day leadership training and I miss the opportunity to win the OT thread. Bah.


As a side, I was in a training for leaders in my company. There were sixty people in the seminar.


Eight female.
60 leaders is too many chiefs and not enough indians.

High ranking females get paid much, much more than their male counterparts.

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09-28-2012, 10:06 AM
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When I read that, all it means to me is kids in America drink more pop and eat more candy than kids in England.

Why bother filling teeth pre-12 anyway? They just lose those teeth and get new ones...

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09-28-2012, 10:21 AM
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60 leaders is too many chiefs and not enough indians.

High ranking females get paid much, much more than their male counterparts.
We have way more than 60 leaders in our company.

My company has over 26,000 employees in over 50 different countries.

And your fact about females being paid more is false.

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Management is buying lunch for the floor today. While nice... my cynical side keeps thinking they could feed the whole floor on a Friday with a small pizza and two cans of Coke.

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Management is buying lunch for the floor today. While nice... my cynical side keeps thinking they could feed the whole floor on a Friday with a small pizza and two cans of Coke.

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[The wage gap remained statistically unchanged in the last year. Women's earnings were 77.0 percent of men's in 2011, compared to 77.4 percent in 2010, according to Census statistics released September 12, 2012 based on the median earnings of all full-time, year-round workers. Men's earning in 2011 were $48,202 and women's were $37,118, a difference of $11,084.
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The median annual earnings for full-time, year-round women workers in 2010 was $36,931 compared to men’s $47,715.1
In 2011, the median weekly earnings for full-time working women was $684, compared to $832 for men.2
In 2011, the median weekly earnings for women in full-time management, professional, and related occupations was $941, compared to $1,269 for men.
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Last year's tax returns may already be signed, sealed and delivered, but April 20 is the day the average American woman will finally finish earning her 2009 salary — at least, the one she would have received if she were a man. That's because U.S. women still earned only 77 cents on the male dollar in 2008, according to the latest census statistics.
http://www.time.com/time/nation/arti...983185,00.html



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To get the fairest comparison, the study authors took into account work hours, academic titles, medical specialties, age and other factors that influence salaries. They included only doctors who were involved in research at U.S. medical schools and teaching hospitals, all at the same stage in their careers. And they still found men's average yearly salaries were at least $12,000 higher than women's.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/...pay/55580000/1



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Management is buying lunch for the floor today. While nice... my cynical side keeps thinking they could feed the whole floor on a Friday with a small pizza and two cans of Coke.
NEVER complain about free food. Especially free pizza.

Eat another piece for my dieting self.

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I took a half day today for something I have going on.

Boss calls me 5 minutes after I leave with a question. Sigh.

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I took a half day today for something I have going on.

Boss calls me 5 minutes after I leave with a question. Sigh.
Morning sickness?

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09-28-2012, 11:43 AM
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We have way more than 60 leaders in our company.

My company has over 26,000 employees in over 50 different countries.

And your fact about females being paid more is false.
I can't seem to find the article I had two years ago on the subject, but found a newer version.

"NerdWallet examined the total compensation of chief executives at 500 of the largest companies in America and found that median compensation for female CEOs exceeded median compensation for male CEOs by 13% in the most recent fiscal year.

Median compensation is a more accurate indicator of the pay of a “typical” CEO than average compensation because extreme outliers can skew averages and create misleading results. The average compensation for CEO men, $12.9 million, exceeded the average compensation for CEO women, $11.7 million. However, this does not indicate that a typical male CEO earned more than a typical female. Two extreme male outliers, whose earnings were each more than ten times the median earnings, brought up the average compensation for men by over a million dollars. Tim Cook, the new CEO of Apple, took home $378 million in total compensation, almost exclusively in stock. David Simon, Chairman & CEO of Simon Property Group, earned $137 million."

http://www.nerdwallet.com/markets/co...utive-pay/info

Since about 2009, women in leadership positions have generally received more pay than men. Most of the media reporting on it is very intentionally deceptive though. They include outlier data to boost up the average and do not include materity time off when factoring salaries.

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I specifically mentioned high ranking women in leadership positions, and you post a bunch of average salary stuff. Fail!

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I have a feeling this discussion is going to end poorly.

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I specifically mentioned high ranking women in leadership positions, and you post a bunch of average salary stuff. Fail!
Try finding 4+ articles to support your claim from legit sources. Not "nerd wallet"


Fail!!!

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I have a feeling this discussion is going to end poorly.
Not if you're talking about corporate officer pay. HAR HAR HAR!

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Not if you're talking about corporate officer pay. HAR HAR HAR!

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So I've seen this, posted it, saw a 10 hour youtube loop of it [I lasted about 90 seconds], but what's it from? What's the deal here?

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NEVER complain about free food. Especially free pizza.

Eat another piece for my dieting self.
I had two squares and a wing. I have a run on Sunday, would like to be lighter still by then. I shed 8.5 lbs since the end of vacation. Not time to backslide.

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Friend made a snarky comment on Twitter this morning about Jodi Johnston getting hired as the corporate media communications director at First Niagara. Said it 'wasn't fair', and implied Mrs. Johnston wasn't qualified.

Jodi Johnston. BS in Communications, MS in Education, Adjunct professor in Communications at Canisus since 1999, TV Anchor and reporter since 2000.

The reaction to her comment has been less than positive.

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So I've seen this, posted it, saw a 10 hour youtube loop of it [I lasted about 90 seconds], but what's it from? What's the deal here?
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/epic-sax-guy

Basically the guy is in a Moldavian pop band. They made a video, someone saw it, and Epic Sax Guy was born.

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Epic Sax Guy will always be the dude from "The Lost Boys" for me.

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http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/epic-sax-guy

Basically the guy is in a Moldavian pop band. They made a video, someone saw it, and Epic Sax Guy was born.
Huh. I guess it's true that you learn something new every day.

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I have a feeling this discussion is going to end poorly.
Probably. It is a topic that the media has drilled into people's heads for years, so people no longer recognize the bias in what they read. That and it is a topic most people refuse to be rational on.

When dealing when average salary for all workers, there are a ton of stats that go unaccounted for. The biggest two being:

Women are generally less likely to be the primary breadwinner for their family. Because of this, women are less likely to negotiate salary as hard as a primary breadwinner would. The family mortgage and bills are covered by their husband's income and their income usually goes toward things like child care, vacations, and nice things around the house. They'll get by if their salary is a little lower, so they don't negotiate as hard. This leads to a stereotype of women being bad at negotiation, which has some basis in brain chemisty and that kind of thing, but isn't nearly as impactful as the stereotype suggests.

Women take materinity leave. Not every woman every year, but overall the impact is pretty large. Women end up earning less because they are on unpaid time off, and the average female salary isn't adjusted to compensate. Some places offer paternity leave, but they aren't yet common. Plus the guy can't nurse the baby. (We'll ignore the formula vs breastfeeding pros and cons, I don't care.)



But yeah, my feminist organizational behavior professor in grad school ended up conceding this topic to me two years ago, so I'm pretty confident in the material I've read over the years. If I had all the links/data handy from back then I'd post them, but unfortunately I don't.

Maybe I can put my business analytics aside and pretend to be working while crunching salary numbers. Haha.

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Thank goodness my company pays for much of my maternity leave.

Also, I know your points are general statements, but I certainly don't fall into your majority. Although I'm not the primary breadwinner, (Clock makes like $2 more than me - it's a very heated battle we are in!) I negotiated salary and benefits to the max even when I interviewed for a promotion, got the job all while I was visibly 5 months pregnant.

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Somehow in my media consumption I have missed the cutting edge economic analysis of Nerdwallet.

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